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re: Catholic/Protestant Debate
Posted on 4/7/24 at 4:28 pm to Champagne
Posted on 4/7/24 at 4:28 pm to Champagne
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You'd like to think so, but, there are still some Protestant sects whose "Confessions" or statement of beliefs say that the Roman Catholic Pope is the Anti-Christ
Okay... that's just flat out stupid.
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Posted on 4/7/24 at 4:33 pm to MemphisGuy
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Okay... that's just flat out stupid.
Stupid yes. True, yes.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 4:39 pm to Prodigal Son
Catholic/Protestant debate
I am a Protestant, but I wish we would come together because we face a common and demonic enemy today.
I am a Protestant, but I wish we would come together because we face a common and demonic enemy today.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 4:39 pm to Prodigal Son
I try not to weigh in on threads like this, since I'm neither, but the infighting among sects hurts your recruit game. It's confused the shite out of me for decades. The #*% in N. LA convinced me that everyone was a hypocrite. The @*%$ in S. LA made me think I was at a fascist youth rally.
Where are the Methodists?
Where are the Methodists?
Posted on 4/7/24 at 4:59 pm to MemphisGuy
Atheists have a good case to argue. When the theological basis of a Religion is of things and entities that cannot be proven true, there will be an argument that the Religion isn't true.
The Catholic position is that Christ founded a Church and that Early Church believed what Catholic believe today.
The Protestant position is that the Bible Alone is the basis of Christianity, NOT the "early Church", and that error crept into the Church of Rome by the Third Century A.D. These errors were corrected by The Reformers.
The Catholic argument is that Jesus Christ Himself founded the Church and that He is Almighty God and that God Himself would not allow "error" to "creep" into the Theology of His Church.
I guess the counter to that argument is that God allowed error to creep into the Church that Christ founded. That might be persuasive for many, but, I always thought that to be a weak argument.
The Catholic position is that Christ founded a Church and that Early Church believed what Catholic believe today.
The Protestant position is that the Bible Alone is the basis of Christianity, NOT the "early Church", and that error crept into the Church of Rome by the Third Century A.D. These errors were corrected by The Reformers.
The Catholic argument is that Jesus Christ Himself founded the Church and that He is Almighty God and that God Himself would not allow "error" to "creep" into the Theology of His Church.
I guess the counter to that argument is that God allowed error to creep into the Church that Christ founded. That might be persuasive for many, but, I always thought that to be a weak argument.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 5:05 pm to Champagne
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God Himself would not allow "error" to "creep" into the Theology of His Church.
I know I'm probably going to get the thread locked, but isn't this kind of the definition of pre-reformation Church? The Pope isn't G-d, but seems to act like it (along with Bishops, Cardinals, etc.), that seem to act and speak on behalf of G-d.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 8:32 pm to LemmyLives
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I know I'm probably going to get the thread locked, but isn't this kind of the definition of pre-reformation Church? The Pope isn't G-d, but seems to act like it (along with Bishops, Cardinals, etc.), that seem to act and speak on behalf of G-d.
I don't understand your statement "isn't this kind of the definition of pre-reformation Church"
The Pope has a mission. To you he seems to act like God? All spiritual leaders are expected to express opinions in the public arena. They would not be spiritual leaders if they didn't.
As for the Bishops and Priests that "seem to act and speak on behalf of God", they are also spiritual leaders with opinions.
Catholics believe that Christ left us with what we call the Sacraments. Christ administered these Sacraments when He was here and before He ascended to Heaven. Christ appointed His Church's heirarchy and commissioned THEM to administer the Sacraments, spread the Gospel by preaching and practicing and grow His Church. They are not acting like God or replacing Christ. They are just continuing Christ's mission and following the orders that He gave to the Apostles.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 9:23 pm to Champagne
^^^^ called Apostolic Succession.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 9:40 pm to Prodigal Son
If James White is a Baptist then he has no business Representing protestants. Baptist church came from the Church of England. Baptists are by definition, not protestants. Get someone from Methodists, Episcopailian, etc., to take up that challenge.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 9:46 pm to Prodigal Son
I think a lot of Christians when they get to heaven will realize how stupid it was arguing which church and its church specific teachings and rituals were correct. If the church you go to is grounded in the Word and Jesus then you shouldn’t have to worry about if your catholic or Protestant or non-denominational etc.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 9:48 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:which is silly & pointless
no straight up religion threads are allowed here and have been banned and deleted for years
TexAgs has a Religion Board, hasn't hurt them any
Posted on 4/7/24 at 9:50 pm to JimNat
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I am a Protestant, but I wish we would come together because we face a common and demonic enemy today.
As a Catholic,this x1000. Division solves nothing.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 10:04 pm to Prodigal Son
I think that people should just pick the way they want to worship God, Christians via Jesus Christ. Rituals of worship have been a powerful method of affecting personal and collective Spiritual vision ever since recorded history, to good and bad effect. Catholics and Protestants just have different rituals of worship, albeit Jesus clearly subordinated the power of rituals to the power of embracing and committing one's life pov to the feeling of Love. He made it clear that minus love, the rest is just drama.
Catholics believe that since Peter answered Jesus' question "Who do you believe that I am" with "you are the Son of God", that Jesus proclamation that "this is the rock" meant that Peter, the man was "the rock" whereupon Jesus would build said Church. IMO, Jesus could have just as easily meant and proclaimed that it was Peter's ANSWER of BELIEF that Jesus was and is exactly who He (Jesus) professed to be. Such being 1/3 of the Triune Godhead and the only Begotten Son of God to appear in the flesh.
I don't care what any person believes if they commit to and grow toward Love. Be it Muslim, Hindu, Jew or even Agnostic or Atheist. And I do not know to what degree one's 'Karma', or possible mitigation/forgiveness therein via Jesus' Authority - might be affected by the particular form of ritualistic worship that one might embrace according to one's conscience and nature. Because it will be Jesus that judges the heart, as opposed to the form of Religion that is employed to transform the 'Heart'/Soul.
I would seem that it would behoove and profit all to embrace Love and let God determine the rewards or lack thereof in our - hopefully so - next life.
Catholics believe that since Peter answered Jesus' question "Who do you believe that I am" with "you are the Son of God", that Jesus proclamation that "this is the rock" meant that Peter, the man was "the rock" whereupon Jesus would build said Church. IMO, Jesus could have just as easily meant and proclaimed that it was Peter's ANSWER of BELIEF that Jesus was and is exactly who He (Jesus) professed to be. Such being 1/3 of the Triune Godhead and the only Begotten Son of God to appear in the flesh.
I don't care what any person believes if they commit to and grow toward Love. Be it Muslim, Hindu, Jew or even Agnostic or Atheist. And I do not know to what degree one's 'Karma', or possible mitigation/forgiveness therein via Jesus' Authority - might be affected by the particular form of ritualistic worship that one might embrace according to one's conscience and nature. Because it will be Jesus that judges the heart, as opposed to the form of Religion that is employed to transform the 'Heart'/Soul.
I would seem that it would behoove and profit all to embrace Love and let God determine the rewards or lack thereof in our - hopefully so - next life.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 10:40 pm to Redbone
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Baptist church came from the Church of England. Baptists are by definition, not protestants. Get someone from Methodists, Episcopailian, etc., to take up that challenge.
The episcopal church came from the church of england
Posted on 4/7/24 at 10:46 pm to RCDfan1950
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I think that people should just pick the way they want to worship God
This is not how it works. God has always been very specific as to how to worship. To say that humans can do whatever they want and worship who ever is a very blasphemous concept in Christianity.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 11:23 pm to Furious
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This is not how it works. God has always been very specific as to how to worship. To say that humans can do whatever they want and worship who ever is a very blasphemous concept in Christianity.
You still following the very specific instructions found in Exodus and Leviticus? You making the burnt offering of a one year old lamb every morning and every evening?
Posted on 4/7/24 at 11:37 pm to Champagne
You don't have to explain it, anytime a pastor has tried to explain it to me, I've just sat there looking like an idiot. You can tell me what you think until you're blue in the face.
I've heard probably 20 versions of the holy trinity in the last five years (the last one was that they were like virtual active directories of each other, no kidding, that was last week.) I kinda thought the Bible was the Old Testament, but that's just old school people. I won't go any further.
I've heard probably 20 versions of the holy trinity in the last five years (the last one was that they were like virtual active directories of each other, no kidding, that was last week.) I kinda thought the Bible was the Old Testament, but that's just old school people. I won't go any further.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 11:41 pm to Furious
Exactly. That was a hippie take on what it means to be a Christian. “Yeah man, it’s all about love man. You can make Jesus whatever you want man as long as you are grooving with love. He can be a Hindu Jesus or a Buddhist Jesus man. He doesn’t care as long as you cruising that love train man.”
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:07 am to Furious
quote:I stand corrected.
The episcopal church came from the church of england
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:09 am to PowerTool
That is not the teaching of Christ, hence Christianity. Study up.
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