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re: Catholic California univ to host Pelosi as commencement speaker despite abortion stance

Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:29 pm to
Surely the order of nuns is under the 'authority' of the Vatican, correct? Unless they are a rogue group under no one's authority. Surely the Vatican is aware of their activities and funding. Surely you're not so naive as to think there are no connections, hidden or otherwise!

Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:30 pm to
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I don't really care to get too involved in this discussion otherwise, but you do realize that Bishops/Archbishops technically exercise full ultimate authority over every Catholic institution physically located in their Diocese/Archdiocese, don't you?

What could the bishop do to this university? Be specific.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:32 pm to
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NOTIFICATION

To the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States Congress Nancy Pelosi

The Second Vatican Council, in its Decree on the Church in the Modem World, Gaudium et spes, reiterated the Church's ancient and consistent teaching that “from the first moment of conception life must be guarded with the greatest care while abortion and infanticide are unspeakable crimes” (n. 51). Christians have, indeed, always upheld the dignity of human life in every stage, especially the most vulnerable, beginning with life in the womb. His Holiness, Pope Francis, in keeping with his predecessors, has likewise been quite clear and emphatic in teaching on the dignity of human life in the womb.

This fundamental moral truth has consequences for Catholics in how they live their lives, especially those entrusted with promoting and protecting the public good of society. Pope St. John Paul II was also quite consistent in upholding this constant teaching of the Church, and frequently reminded us that “those who are directly involved in lawmaking bodies have a ‘grave and clear obligation to oppose’ any law that attacks human life. For them, as for every Catholic, it is impossible to promote such laws or to vote for them” (cf. Doctrinal Note on some questions regarding the participation of Catholics in political life [November 24, 2002], n. 4, §1). A Catholic legislator who supports procured abortion, after knowing the teaching of the Church, commits a manifestly grave sin which is a cause of most serious scandal to others. Therefore, universal Church law provides that such persons “are not to be admitted to Holy Communion” (Code of Canon Law, can. 915).

With regard to the application of these principles to Catholics in political life, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote to the U.S. bishops in 2004 explaining the approach to be taken:

“... when a person's formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his Pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Church's teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for Holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist. When ‘these precautionary measures have not had their effect ... ,’ and the person in question, with obstinate persistence, still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, ‘the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it.’”

In striving to follow this direction, I am grateful to you for the time you have given me in the past to speak about these matters. Unfortunately, I have not received such an accommodation to my many requests to speak with you again since you vowed to codify the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision in federal law following upon passage of Texas Senate Bill 8 last September. That is why I communicated my concerns to you via letter on April 7, 2022, and informed you there that, should you not publicly repudiate your advocacy for abortion “rights” or else refrain from referring to your Catholic faith in public and receiving Holy Communion, I would have no choice but to make a declaration, in keeping with canon 915, that you are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.

As you have not publically repudiated your position on abortion, and continue to refer to your Catholic faith in justifying your position and to receive Holy Communion, that time has now come. Therefore, in light of my responsibility as the Archbishop of San Francisco to be “concerned for all the Christian faithful entrusted to [my] care” (Code of Canon Law, can. 383, §1), by means of this communication I am hereby notifying you that you are not to present yourself for Holy Communion and, should you do so, you are not to be admitted to Holy Communion, until such time as you publicly repudiate your advocacy for the legitimacy of abortion and confess and receive absolution of this grave sin in the sacrament of Penance

Please know that I stand ready to continue our conversation at any time, and will continue to offer up prayer and fasting for you.

I also ask all of the faithful of the Archdiocese of San Francisco to pray for all of our legislators, especially Catholic legislators who promote procured abortion, that with the help and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, they may undergo a conversion of heart in this most grave matter and human life may be protected and fostered in every stage and condition of life.

Given at San Francisco, on the nineteenth day of May, in the Year of our Lord 2022.

[Signed]

Salvatore J. Cordileone

Archbishop of San Francisco
That's great! I'm glad the Archbishop of San Francisco did that. However, she then went to Rome and got a blessing from the Pope, himself.

On June 29, 2022, five days after this decision, Pelosi visited the Vatican. She met with Pope Francis, prior to him holding Mass at St Peter's Basilica, and received a blessing from him. In defiance of Cordileone's ban, she received communion at this Mass, according to the Associated Press, without renouncing her opinion on abortion. In fact, she harshly criticized the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision, calling it "outrageous and heart-wrenching.

Fact Check: Yes, Pelosi Once Took Communion at Vatican Despite SF Archbishop Denying Her Sacrament
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14115 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:32 pm to
Nominally, so is sister Pelosi. And brother Biden. And yet they support abortion and the alphabet soup mess. So....
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14115 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:33 pm to
Oooopsie!
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:33 pm to
Religion aside, why would a college pick a commencement speaker who cannot construct a sentence without agonizing effort? She's been senile for years. Just shut up and give me my damn diploma.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:34 pm to
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Any denomination that would give Biden and Pelosi communion is contemptible.


Or maybe

just maybe

we accept the fact that a religion of over a billion people is going to have a few people who don't agree with the church's teachings and treat them not as heretics but as children of God to be listened to and debated with and not ostracized like lepars?

Crazy, right?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:34 pm to
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Surely the order of nuns is under the 'authority' of the Vatican, correct?

To the degree the Vatican can decide who's speaking at the school? No.

I think if the school, as an institution, came out in support of abortion rights, the Church could step in.

I think Notre Dame (the big one) has a lot of faculty that are pro-abortion.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14115 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:35 pm to
Cancel the speaker. Get a different one. Heck, Kermit the Frog is available as a commencement speaker, he spoke last year at the Univ. of Maryland. Assert their authority?!?! I'm sure we are not aware of all of their options in shutting out Nan.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110957 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:36 pm to
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What could the bishop do to this university?


Expel them from his Diocese. Issue an edict saying they are no longer operating as a "Catholic" organization.

Again, I'm not necessarily advocating such. I'm just saying. Things like this have happened before. Do you not realize it?
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8428 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:37 pm to
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We sure do hate Catholics here on tigerdroppings.


Depends - I am not opposed to Catholicism as a teaching principal because t the pope/vatican city and their commands certainly are more like a cult than just Christ teachings and celebrating God.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14115 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:38 pm to
Actually, the 'big' Notre Dame was recently thwarted by those opposing abortion when it offered a leadership position to a researcher who supports abortion. It was national news and not a good look for ND!

LINK
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
2385 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:40 pm to
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Nominally, so is sister Pelosi. And brother Biden. And yet they support abortion and the alphabet soup mess. So....


They’re not the church.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14115 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:40 pm to
It's all about the virtue-signaling and the propaganda.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14115 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:41 pm to
But they ARE highly visible representatives and members of that church, are they not?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:41 pm to
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Expel them from his Diocese. Issue an edict saying they are no longer operating as a "Catholic" organization.

What does expel from the Diocese mean? I don't think the university is run by the Diocese. I don't think the school is sanctioned by the Diocese.

I think the best we could hope for is another letter, basically stating that the university runs counter to Catholic principles and as such, should not be considered "Catholic" - but it's not like the school would then have to change its name.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110957 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:42 pm to
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I don't think the school is sanctioned by the Diocese.


If it's really a "Catholic Institution" it most certainly is.
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
2385 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:42 pm to
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During that Mass, Francis reiterated that the Catholic Church stands for life, but also called on archbishops to welcome all, even sinners, into the church.


Stop lying, Preacher.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:44 pm to
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That's great! I'm glad the Archbishop of San Francisco did that. However, she then went to Rome and got a blessing from the Pope, himself.

Yep. Francis was a shitty pope and Leo hasn't started any better.

Francis argued he would not "politicize" the sacraments, and that anybody could walk up and take communion, but only those in good standing as a Catholic were truly receiving the body and blood. Weak sauce when you're not talking about some rando nobody knows but that's different from the pope's position that you/I were debating yesterday.
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
2385 posts
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:45 pm to
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But they ARE highly visible representatives and members of that church, are they not?


They do not represent the church. By your logic, I guess homosexual transsexuals preaching from the pulpit in your churches represent all of evangelicals.
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