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re: Candace Owens slandering Bill Ackman?

Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:04 am to
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:04 am to
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Hamas, he 100% wants Israel and the west to prevail against islamism. He summed up the convo by stating that it's "deflating" to be questioned.


I’m not saying Kirk’s view was he “rooting” for Hamas either. But I think Kirk began to question the power of Israel and the humanity of what he was seeing in Gaza.

I think all of us want to defeat radical islam. At what cost? 20,000 kids? I mean at some point we have to let humanity prevail.

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his views on the conflict never changed.


I don’t think they did. But I think he began to question them.

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nobody mentions that clip is from a show done shortly after October 7 2023. he wondered aloud if there was a stand down order. he also stated the response to the 10/7 massacre would be catastrophic.


2 years of constant bombings can change someone’s mind. No?

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if "Israel" had him killed, why not kill him then, or why not go after Candace, or Tucker, who have been 100% anti Israel since the start?


Nobody knows for sure what’s going on. Let’s take the Bongino approach and wait.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:05 am to
Do you think we’re going to disagree with you?
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:05 am to
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I believe Candace believe everything she says


So you think she truly believes Ackman is somehow involved in an Israeli plot to kill CK?
Posted by 632627
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:18 am to
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But I think Kirk began to question the power of Israel and the humanity of what he was seeing in Gaza.


that's not what he was criticized for.

he was criticized for hosting Tucker and Dave Smith. he explicitly states that. he never once mentions having sympathy for Gazans.
Posted by 632627
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:19 am to
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So you think she truly believes Ackman is somehow involved in an Israeli plot to kill CK?



or that dinosaurs are fake & gay
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:21 am to
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So you think she truly believes Ackman is somehow involved in an Israeli plot to kill CK?


No, because she did not say that.

This is exactly what she said, transcript (misspelled words via transcription):

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BB Netanyahu in that phone call what
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took place was a couple of weeks ago
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before Charlie uh lost his life. Uh
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Charlie was in the Hamptons. He had uh
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essentially what was staged an an
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intervention was staged by Bill Aman
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because Charlie's thoughts Charlie's
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rational thoughts about Israel were a no
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no. This is this is not the route that
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you should be going on. And Charlie was
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surrounded by his friends, his
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quoteunquote friends. Uh, Bill Aman was
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very upset and threats were made. He was
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asked to dispute this narrative. Uh, Max
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Blumenthal went out to him today and
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Bill Aman came back and said, "I I have
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receipts. I can show you." And he did
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not provide the receipts. It was at this
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time that BB Netany and Yahoo was called
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and Charlie was invited to Israel. This
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was an under duress situation I would
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say and I know that Charlie was offered
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a ton of money in this moment. Turning
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point I guess if it needed to go to a
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higher level would would have gone to an
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even higher level than it already was
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at. And I know for a fact that Charlie
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denied that funding, that Charlie
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denied. And what BB didn't include
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there, he declined to go to Israel for I
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would I would describe this as like, you
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know, re-education camp. You know, we've
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seen it. You made an uhoh, but we can
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help you. Another person that was there,
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and I am not surprised this person was
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there. If you've been listening to my
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show, Seth Dylan, I said, "Any comment
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on this one, Seth?" He didn't answer
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last night. This morning I said, "Need a
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comment ASAP, please." He didn't answer.
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Then I followed that up and I said,
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"Trying again here. You were present
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when Aman lost his mind on Charlie and
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when BB invited him to Israel and
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Charlie refused." Text messages
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immediately following this meeting are
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circulating. I find Aman's statement as
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though the meeting was somehow cordial
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to be incredibly disturbing. Are you at
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all disturbed by that tweet? Do you
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feel, as I do, that this tweet
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significantly betrays the defined
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purpose and mood of his and I presume
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your final meeting with Charlie Kirk?
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He was unable to speak to me, but he did
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place some frantic calls to Turning
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Point USA. Yeah. You see, I went out to
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Seth, but I also went out to two other
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people uh who were at this meeting, and
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nobody is willing to go on record.
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They're all messaging each other trying
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to figure out a coordinated response to
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say that no, this was all quite cordial,
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but no one wants to go on record and
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describe it as cordial because they know
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someone's leaking because someone's got
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a guilty conscience about what happened
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at the Hamptons.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 9:22 am
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3077 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:22 am to
1. The blowback from Israel really started when CK begged Trump to not bomb Iran on behalf of Israel.

2. CK then began to question the Israeli first American policies being pushed by US politicians. (AIPAC)

3. CK stated you can support Israel, but want America first policies. Supporting Israel doesn’t mean sacrificing the well being of American citizens for the well being of a foreign country (Israel).

The result is, someone killed Charlie Kirk.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:24 am to
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3. CK stated you can support Israel, but want America first policies. Supporting Israel doesn’t mean sacrificing the well being of American citizens for the well being of a foreign country (Israel).


This is a very antisemitic thing to say.
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3077 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:28 am to
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This is a very antisemitic thing to say.


That’s what everyone would want you to believe.
Posted by Bridget O
Kilgarvan
Member since Dec 2020
407 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:34 am to
Demons have taken over Owens. Not fun to watch.
“Depart from Me, I never knew you” poor Candace.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:38 am to
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Demons have taken over Owens. Not fun to watch.
“Depart from Me, I never knew you” poor Candace.


Just the opposite.

This is what being guided by the HS looks like. Ultimately if you believe in Jesus you will be persecuted. At times the cross can be real heavy.
Posted by 632627
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Member since Dec 2011
14683 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:39 am to
quote:

1. The blowback from Israel really started when CK begged Trump to not bomb Iran on behalf of Israel.

2. CK then began to question the Israeli first American policies being pushed by US politicians. (AIPAC)

3. CK stated you can support Israel, but want America first policies. Supporting Israel doesn’t mean sacrificing the well being of American citizens for the well being of a foreign country (Israel).

The result is, someone killed Charlie Kirk.


Kirk's stance never changed. he's stated that he's in favor of America's funding of Israel, but not direct involvement. Ben Shapiro has stated the exact same thing. his view on the Iran attack doesn't deviate from that position.

the blowback Kirk received was from hosting Tucker and Dave Smith at his convention.

the result wasn't that someone killed Charlie. that's confirmation bias, and quite a stretch considering a leftist tranny lover has already been implicated.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14683 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:43 am to
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Nobody knows for sure what’s going on.


are you going to totally ignore Tyler Robinson's arrest?
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
48737 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:04 am to
Posted by Pragmatist2025
Member since Jun 2025
439 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:08 am to
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Guess Candace is trying to collect slander suits like they're infinity stones
She may get a couple of ‘token’ lawsuits, but not enough to take her down yet. She is way too valuable an asset now.

I believe that at one time she was sincere in her pursuit of ‘finding the truth.’ She had just enough success to make her somewhat of a sensation, or at least, a fascination. Maybe she discovered that the more outlandish the claims, the more attention and followers she would garner.

There is some truth to this story, but she and others have connected enough far-fetched conspiratorial dots to even discredit the truthful ones. There is enough out there to confirm that a meeting was desired with Kirk from Netanyahu, if not other Israeli officials. To include nefarious undertones is feeding a narrative that beneficially coincides with the untimely death of Charlie Kirk.

He has received a healthy amount of financial support from Jewish backers, enough support, that at the very least they would want him to tone down some of his questioning and recent criticism of the Israeli government influence on American policy and their intelligence apparatus. He was not however this great consequential threat to their government’s goals to warrant being assassinated.

Candace Owens is doing a great service to their cause, even if unwittingly. The more outlandish claims only muddy the water for when there are actual actions from Israel that do warrant attention. When she cries “Jew wolf” at everything, no one will believe her when there is an actual wolf.

I think she may sincerely draw ire from the Jewish millionaires but she does more of a service for Israeli interests (than not) that she still has value.
Posted by Richleau
Member since Dec 2018
4106 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:10 am to
The timing is strange. It certainly seems like ackman approached Kirk to influence/buy TPUSA. Listen to Kirk’s interview on Megyn Kelly’s show. They attacked his moral character. He left the meeting. He did not take their money. He would not agree to silence voices in the conservative movement no matter what he’s already done for Israel and now he’s gone. I think this is why they are looking at the funding for these groups. My guess is we will see folks like Soros and Ackman as behind that funding. Both of those guys are Jews. Could be coincidental, but the response from Israel’s pm and all involved irks me.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125553 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:11 am to
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This is what being guided by the HS looks like. Ultimately if you believe in Jesus you will be persecuted. At times the cross can be real heavy.


Lol
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14683 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:12 am to
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They attacked his moral character. He left the meeting. He did not take their money.


you're conflating things. he said he was attacked via text and twitter after hosting Dave Smith and Tucker at the TPUSA conference.
Posted by Richleau
Member since Dec 2018
4106 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:13 am to
Yes, and the meeting with ackman came after the tpusa conference.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14683 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:13 am to
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here is enough out there to confirm that a meeting was desired with Kirk from Netanyahu,


Netanyahu stated during an interview a couple days ago that he recently invited Charlie to Israel, and I believe he confirmed that Charlie wasn't coming (he didn't state why)

there's no grand conspiracy here.
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