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re: Can Those Of You Who Advocate Tariffs...
Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:05 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:05 am to wackatimesthree
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:18 am to wackatimesthree
You're post is too long but...
You always have choices. You don't have to buy the product with tarrifs. Buy from a different country. Buy from the US. That country's manufacturer can also lower the price. That's what most don't understand about tarrifs. It's not necessarily going to lead to inflation.
You always have choices. You don't have to buy the product with tarrifs. Buy from a different country. Buy from the US. That country's manufacturer can also lower the price. That's what most don't understand about tarrifs. It's not necessarily going to lead to inflation.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 5:38 am
Posted on 3/11/25 at 10:12 am to Taxing Authority
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Now do currency and labor costs.
Now do national security.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 10:19 am to bama1959
The biggest issue is these few live in a world that does not exist. Their only argument is that because it's China, they can make the products cheaper due to wages.
That is a falsehood in our time. According to recent data, the average salary in China is around 353,000 Chinese Yuan (CNY) per year, which translates to approximately $50,400 USD. The average pay in the US is $63K. A difference of $13K.
This is not the world it was. Not only that, we need jobs here and less welfare. Since 1955, the gap of prices vs pay in major needs like housing has been amplified by almost 10x what it was before globalization and the "free Trade" that FDR sold conservatives on.
That is a falsehood in our time. According to recent data, the average salary in China is around 353,000 Chinese Yuan (CNY) per year, which translates to approximately $50,400 USD. The average pay in the US is $63K. A difference of $13K.
This is not the world it was. Not only that, we need jobs here and less welfare. Since 1955, the gap of prices vs pay in major needs like housing has been amplified by almost 10x what it was before globalization and the "free Trade" that FDR sold conservatives on.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 10:20 am to wackatimesthree
quote:
TariffLand
I do not want to live in TariffLand and you can not make me live in TariffLand!
Posted on 3/11/25 at 10:22 am to wackatimesthree
Do you feel super smart for explaining an extremely simple concept? I mean, this is pretty basic stuff
Posted on 3/11/25 at 10:51 am to imjustafatkid
quote:We’ve had tariffs on solar since 2018. Where’s all the solar manufacturing?
please explain to me how tariffs work
They bring manufacturing back to the USA, which will raise the base pay of the average American higher than any related increases in cost of goods.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:00 am to BCreed1
quote:
The biggest issue is these few live in a world that does not exist. Their only argument is that because it's China, they can make the products cheaper due to wages.
That is a falsehood in our time.
Manufacturers are already moving past China. Vietnam is the new hotness. Workers make about $0.75/hr. Skilled trades about $1.25. And that doesn’t even begin to account for the other COGS inputs like regulatory and legal.
quote:No. In the US there are way more costs to employ than just salary. And your chinese number dos not match our experience.
According to recent data, the average salary in China is around 353,000 Chinese Yuan (CNY) per year, which translates to approximately $50,400 USD. The average pay in the US is $63K. A difference of $13K.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:07 am to Taxing Authority
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Where’s all the solar manufacturing?
Auxin Solar California 150 MW
Canadian Solar Texas 5,000 MW
CHERP Inc. California 15 MW
Crossroads Solar Indiana 50 MW
Elin Energy Texas 2,000 MW
First Solar Ohio, Arizona 6,300 MW
GAF Energy California, Texas 300 MW
Heliene Minnesota 800 MW
Hightec Solar Indiana 100 MW
Hounen Solar South Carolina 1,000 MW
Illuminate USA Ohio 5,000 MW
Imperial Star Solar Texas, California 2,000 MW
Jinko Solar Florida, California 2,000 MW
Merlin Solar California 5 MW
Meyer Burger Arizona 2,000 MW
Mission Solar Texas 1,000 MW
Qcells Georgia 8,400 MW
Silfab Solar Washington 800 MW
Sinotec Solar California 300 MW
SPI Energy / Solar4America California 700 MW
Sunspark USA / SolarMax Technology California 250 MW
SunTegra New York 10 MW
Those?
Solar manufacturing capacity has increased dramatically. In Q3 2024, the US had 38 GW of module assembly capacity, up from 19 GW at the end of 2023. SEIA projects that the U.S. solar manufacturing workforce alone will reach 100,000 workers by 2033.
First Solar 460W Series 6 cost $190.00
vs
Jinko EAGLE JKM425N-54HL4-B 425W at $182.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:09 am to bama1959
quote:
Buy from the US.
US Labor has been priced out of the market for everyday items.
Its your own governments fault.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:14 am to BCreed1
quote:
Solar manufacturing capacity has increased dramatically. In Q3 2024, the US had 38 GW of module assembly capacity, up from 19 GW at the end of 2023. SEIA projects that the U.S. solar manufacturing workforce alone will reach 100,000 workers by 2033.
That increase isn't from solar tariffs, it is from Biden's IRA.
"The U.S. solar industry has seen a rapid expansion since President Joe Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) in August 2022. The act has been instrumental in increasing domestic solar panel production capacity more than fivefold. This is a crucial step in Biden’s goal of building clean energy supply chains within the country. "
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:14 am to Taxing Authority
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Manufacturers are already moving past China. Vietnam is the new hotness. Workers make about $0.75/hr. Skilled trades about $1.25.
And that doesn’t even begin to account for the other COGS inputs like regulatory and legal.
I see. You don't want to talk CHINA anymore. LOL!
This is what the USA First people look at. We built China to a rival status. Now you want to go build another country to a rival status and again it's at the expense of Americans. So let's tie ourselves to another COMMUNIST nation.
quote:
And your chinese number dos not match our experience.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:29 am to frogtown
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That increase isn't from solar tariffs, it is from Biden's IRA.
"The U.S. solar industry has seen a rapid expansion since President Joe Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) in August 2022. The act has been instrumental in increasing domestic solar panel production capacity more than fivefold. This is a crucial step in Biden’s goal of building clean energy supply chains within the country. "
This is due to tariffs, moron. You cited a law that allowed Biden to increase tariffs on solar panel production as evidence that tariffs aren't the reason solar manufacturing has increased in the USA.
It's pretty obvious why you didn't provide a link, so here I'll provide one. LINK
quote:
U.S. trade officials are expected to announce on Friday a new round of tariffs on solar panel imports from four Southeast Asian nations after American manufacturers complained that companies there are flooding the market with unfairly cheap goods.
It is the second of two preliminary decisions that President Joe Biden's Commerce Department is making this year in a trade case brought by Korea's Hanwha Qcells 000880.KS, Arizona-based First Solar Inc FSLR.O and several smaller producers seeking to protect billions of dollars in investments in U.S. solar manufacturing.
This is the latest chapter in a more than decade-long trade war with Chinese companies over their solar dominance. Chinese manufacturers have responded to U.S. solar tariffs by moving their massive operations to nations where they will not face duties - including Southeast Asia.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:32 am to wackatimesthree
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people who obviously have no idea how this all works.
You thought of all of that to end with this? You could have saved yourself a lot of time and taken your downvotes just saying that.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:36 am to wackatimesthree
You are confusing them with facts.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 11:39 am to imjustafatkid
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This is due to tariffs, moron.
You didn't read the article, moron.
The date of your ariticle is from late November 2024 moron.
Those increased tariffs on solar started in December 2024 moron.
How could those tariffs be responsible for increased solar production from the years 2023 to 2024 if they were just enacted in December 2024.
The increase in production came from incentives and subsidies in Biden's IRA, bottom line.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/11/25 at 12:37 pm to frogtown
quote:
You didn't read the article, moron.
The date of your ariticle is from late November 2024 moron.
Those increased tariffs on solar started in December 2024 moron.
How could those tariffs be responsible for increased solar production from the years 2023 to 2024 if they were just enacted in December 2024.
The increase in production came from incentives and subsidies in Biden's IRA, bottom line.
you doubled down even after being shown what actually happened The article is about what Biden did to increase solar manufacturing in the USA, moron.
He levied tariffs, moron.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 12:49 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
you doubled down even after being shown what actually happened
The article is about what Biden did to increase solar manufacturing in the USA, moron.
He levied tariffs, moron.
You dumb frick. Read the article. Those tariffs started on Jan 1, 2025. So how could those tariffs increase solar panel production in the 2023 to 2024 time frame?
Here is another link saying the same
Jan 1 2025 solar panel tariff increase
Biden orders up to 50% tariffs on some solar energy components from China
The duties will target critical solar energy inputs, including wafers, polysilicon and tungsten products, beginning Jan. 1.
Published Dec. 12, 2024
Do understand the timing here???
Posted on 3/11/25 at 12:50 pm to TiptonInSC
This tariffs thing is so damn hilarious ..
We are fricked. Bit it will be entertaining
We are fricked. Bit it will be entertaining
Posted on 3/11/25 at 12:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This tariffs thing is so damn hilarious ..
We are fricked. Bit it will be entertaining
You want it to happen so you can be right on the internet.
Don't worry, if you are wrong, you can just lie about your position.
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