re: Can the MAGA/America First Movement Survive American military operations in Iran?

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Why do you assume we're going to send in ground troops

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This thread is built on the hypothetical of American intervention. All discussion flows within that hypothetical

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What does "death to America! Death to the great satan!" mean to you then?

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At this point, very little. After 45 years of this, the impacts on American soil have been extremely minimal. It's their version of "No Justice, no peace".

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Its very possible we are the great satan.

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as far as I'm concerned we should be. We shouldn't occupy, we should conquer. There would be no Marshall plan. There would be a new southern border in the desert between Guadalajara and Nuevo Laredo with a land mined DMZ.

But that isn't the world we live in.

Just like we are not the great satan. We're no saviors either. We should just look out for #1 and call it good.

The real world is EVERYONE is the baddies. There are no good guys.

The 'good guy' model is nothing more than a political manipulation by other countries to be baddies. Yes, that includes Israel. It includes all- Ghana, UK, Ukraine, Tajikistan. There are no good guys- act accordingly.

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All we're doing is importing Hollywood values to socially conservative muslim nations.

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and you and I are on the same page on this - it is fricking retarded.

That's why I believe even attempting non-proliferation is just as stupid.

First of all, it hasn't worked. China, Soviet Union, India, Pakistan, etc. all have the bomb.

Secondly, how much treasure and lives have we spent to try to make it work? well, let's see what happens in Iran.

Thirdly, has it resulted in manipulations of us using a combination of "we're the good guys" and "we must prevent proliferation"? I give you Iraq. Something we can all agree on.

If there was a RINO in charge we'd be air-bridging masses of troops and armor readying to invade right now.

If a liberal was in charge we'd be sending them more pallets of cash and insisting Israel release Hamas/Hezbollah terrorist just to kick the can down the road until the next RINO.

That's been our history.

So if we want to do this completely fake "we are the good guys" thing guess what the facts on the ground are (and I'll sum it up in on sentence):

The FACT: Trump has manipulated Israel into doing OUR dirty work for once.

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The FACT: Trump has manipulated Israel into doing OUR dirty work for once

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Oh dear god...

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dispute it.

Trump is president and been involved in the negotiations?
Israel is the only country taking military action in Iran?
Israel's military actions in Iran are indeed accomplishing the USA's goals?

What's your counterpoint other than an emotion or ad hominem?

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There will be 20-50 "MAGAs" in that case, with their own version of purity. It will be like libertarians or socialists with their specifically-curated sects. Trump is the cult of personality and strong man that keeps all the various sects believing they're ethe "real" MAGA together. That's his gift (and shite-talking in debates)

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Hyperbole

We’ll all battle it out in the primaries and join together in the general behind a few commonly held world views.

I think you will be shown to be wrong about us.

It’ll survive and thrive

Have you not noticed the schism from major MAGA posters? I didn't imagine it.

This weekend was fun.

fricking neocons can't lie forever.

Your brother got his cornhole obliterated this weekend. I guess he likes that.

I am trying.

Good win yesterday, sir.