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re: Can a president sign an executive order to declassify anything he wants?
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:39 pm to Revelator
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:39 pm to Revelator
Yes...
POTUS is legitimately the elected head of state and has unlimited authority over the executive branch.
Any bullshite stating otherwise is a lie.
It's why Obama can take his alloted funds from Congress and give it to Iranians and call it diplomacy...then go fetch his personal kickbacks from accounts in Singapore.
The first check on that is the Senate, but, there are so many approval disapproval agreements with other nations, the wiggle room for doing wtf POTUS wants is there...
The next Check is Impeachment. That's it.
POTUS is legitimately the elected head of state and has unlimited authority over the executive branch.
Any bullshite stating otherwise is a lie.
It's why Obama can take his alloted funds from Congress and give it to Iranians and call it diplomacy...then go fetch his personal kickbacks from accounts in Singapore.
The first check on that is the Senate, but, there are so many approval disapproval agreements with other nations, the wiggle room for doing wtf POTUS wants is there...
The next Check is Impeachment. That's it.
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:50 pm to loogaroo
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SCOTUS Ruling Dept Navy vs Eagan 1987 clearly gives POTUS the authority to classify or declassify any damn thing he wants.
So, in a nutshell, the FBI, courtesy of a judge buddy of Epstein’s, served a search warrant on a former POTUS, searching for “fruits of a crime” that were in fact not “fruits of a crime.”
So, when does the State’s Attorney or AG in Florida indict them for Burglary?
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Only thing is, they are limited to 8 years max in what they can do and can be voted out after 4 if more people don’t like what they’re doing than do - or if some people feel out a way to cheat the voting public.
It is also why the president is not vetted for a security clearance. By being elected president the people have decided he should be able to view any classified material needed. Same is true of Congress, they do not have any type of security clearance, access to classified material comes with being elected to the office.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:58 pm to loogaroo
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deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them
So a sort of "implied executive order." That whole explanation by the former chief executive is Trumpspeak for "I may have committed high crimes and misdemeanors."
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:03 pm to tarzana
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Trumpspeak for "I may have committed high crimes and misdemeanors."
You mean like the previous numerous times the Left accused him of this and fell flat on their faces?
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:08 pm to MizzouBS
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I don’t think he can. He is not a King or dictator. If he wanted to declassify things like where every nuke, sub, satellite, CIA agent, or anything pertaining to national security he would not.
There are things even President’s can’t do, share, or declassify.
You are so wrong with this statement.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:08 pm to jrodLSUke
“President Trump declassified a binder on January 19th, 2021 that contains hundreds of pages about the Crossfire Hurricane scandal. It contains damaging information about the corrupt actors involved with our government. Two different DOJ Attorney Generals have defied President Trump’s direct lawful order to publish the binder in the Federal Register. It’s been 19 months as the DOJ defies the order, and every FOIA request to make it public."
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:12 pm to tarzana
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tarzana
If you get that from that, the Constitution and any other truth in this universe,
You are functionally beyond help. It's not a matter of being just wrong, it's the inability to comprehend that plagues you. I recommend going back to your coloring book.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:28 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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SCOTUS Ruling Dept Navy vs Eagan 1987 clearly gives POTUS the authority to classify or declassify any damn thing he wants.
Right. And it gives congress the power to impeach him and convict him, which they would do if he irresponsibly declassified things. But in order to know that, and to judge him, he would have to make a proclamation of some sort, which he apparently did not do. Therefore, the documents weren’t declassified. He can’t just do it in his head.
Notice that Trump’s defense went from “They are planting evidence” to “I had the right to have it.” That’s a bad look.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:35 pm to Revelator
quote:He can declassify documents (in this case he didn't), but he can't award them to himself. They are the property of the US Government and he would still be subject to the Sedition Act for mishandling them, especially when he becomes a private citizen.
Can a president sign an executive order to declassify anything he wants?
Obviously he didn't declassify them because then he would have been under an immediate counter intelligence investigation to figure out what he was doing with them.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:37 pm to tarzana
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tarzana
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Trump never did before shuttling sensitive documents out of the oval office.
Oh you got him now……..
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:38 pm to tarzana
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So a sort of "implied executive order." That whole explanation by the former chief executive is Trumpspeak for "I may have committed high crimes and misdemeanors."
That would be treason……are you really this dumb?
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:52 pm to mmcgrath
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Obviously he didn't declassify them because then he would have been under an immediate counter intelligence investigation to figure out what he was doing with them.
You like when they went to MAL in June to see what he had, and they recommended he add a padlock to better secure the documents?
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:56 pm to MizzouBS
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There are things even President’s can’t do, share, or declassify.
He can order a nuclear first strike against one of our adversaries without provocation, and without approval by anyone, but he can’t declassify a document, sort of defies logic .
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:34 pm to Penrod
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Notice that Trump’s defense went from “They are planting evidence” to “I had the right to have it.” That’s a bad look.
It only went this way in your head.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:45 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Y’all. Are fkn braindead and need to stop speculating.
There is no law on the books because it is a power of the executive. There is no process the President needs to declassify material or allow clearance for a group or individual.
No formal process exists because it happens daily. And there is no … overseeing body for the president.
They can simply do it upon a whim. IE an aide is taking notes and doesnt have clearance : “I grant you clearance.”
I expect only Cogent legal arguments in response citing explicit laws legislated to prevent the executive branch superseding legislative authority in this regards.
IMO - the raid on trump is the shadow government/ beauracracy nibbling at presidential power so it can be their own and it wont matter who is elected.
As we all know. government no longer serves the people. It serves government.
There is no law on the books because it is a power of the executive. There is no process the President needs to declassify material or allow clearance for a group or individual.
No formal process exists because it happens daily. And there is no … overseeing body for the president.
They can simply do it upon a whim. IE an aide is taking notes and doesnt have clearance : “I grant you clearance.”
I expect only Cogent legal arguments in response citing explicit laws legislated to prevent the executive branch superseding legislative authority in this regards.
IMO - the raid on trump is the shadow government/ beauracracy nibbling at presidential power so it can be their own and it wont matter who is elected.
As we all know. government no longer serves the people. It serves government.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:48 pm to Canada_Baw
Im willing to bump this thread until AggieHank gives a response.
This post was edited on 8/14/22 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:53 pm to EA6B
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He can order a nuclear first strike against one of our adversaries without provocation, and without approval by anyone, but he can’t declassify a document, sort of defies logic .
False. He needs the SoD to comply with a Nuclear strike.
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But executive orders by their very nature let the president act like a king or dictator by going around congress
EO can be overturned/invalidate by congress immediately after it is signed or at anytime they want too or they can choose not to fund it.
A judge can choose a temporary stay on a EO or choose to rule that it is invalid. The President can appeal to SCOTUS.
The President can also not sign a treaty without approval from the Senate.
Almost everything the President does can be overturned. That is why there are 3 branches of government.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:54 pm to riccoar
With regards to FISA,
Potential that he cant release sealed fisa documents and Patriot Act may have set some shitty precedents in case law, but i believe if a President chose to air THAT out in the current court he would win.
Legislative power cant interfere with executive OR Judicial. So they abdicate and allow a bunch if beauracrats to run it all
Potential that he cant release sealed fisa documents and Patriot Act may have set some shitty precedents in case law, but i believe if a President chose to air THAT out in the current court he would win.
Legislative power cant interfere with executive OR Judicial. So they abdicate and allow a bunch if beauracrats to run it all
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:56 pm to MizzouBS
He can fire and hire a new SoD every day of his term though.
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