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re: Can a liberal democrat explain this logic to me
Posted on 1/4/14 at 11:12 am to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 1/4/14 at 11:12 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:Wow.
There isn't. They are the scum of the fricking earth.
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 11:38 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Well the 2nd amendment states that gun ownership is allowable in a well regulated militia.
No it doesn't
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Voting is a fundamental right.
No it isn't. There is no federal (constitutional) right to vote.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 12:12 pm to Antonio Moss
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The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
26th amendment seems to think there is a right to vote, among others.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 12:13 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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the 2nd amendment states that gun ownership is allowable in a well regulated militia.
Oh wow. You might want to go re-read the 2nd amendment again bc it says no such thing.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:17 pm to AUin02
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26th amendment seems to think there is a right to vote, among others.
The 15, 19, and 26 prevent states from denying people the ability to vote based on race, gender, and age. However, it is the states that create the rules and rights as it concerns voting (within the parameters of these three amendments) not the federal government.
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:41 pm to Antonio Moss
I know what you are getting at, but we're approaching the concept of right differently I believe.
Amendments don't define a list of rights, rather they define a list of what government cannot do to violate our rights.
If you believe the states have the right to qualify how we can vote you enter dangerous territory that would allow the state the right to define how we bear arms as well as exercise free speech.
Amendments don't define a list of rights, rather they define a list of what government cannot do to violate our rights.
If you believe the states have the right to qualify how we can vote you enter dangerous territory that would allow the state the right to define how we bear arms as well as exercise free speech.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 4:01 pm to AUin02
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If you believe the states have the right to qualify how we can vote you enter dangerous territory that would allow the state the right to define how we bear arms as well as exercise free speech.
It's not a matter of belief. The states absolutely have the ability to qualify how we vote outside the parameters of the amendments listed above. Technically, a state could not hold Presidential elections and simply let the state legislature determine for whom their electors cast ballots. There is no federal right to vote. This is different than the right to bear arms and the right to free speech which specifically cited as rights in the constitution thus preventing undue state burdens because of the 10th Amendment.
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/4/14 at 4:16 pm to goldennugget
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Can a liberal democrat explain this logic to me
Here is where you have fricked up......liberals don't worry about logic. It's all about unicorns, rainbows, and candy canes.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 4:22 pm to Layabout
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Exercising your right to vote doesn't result in a schoolyard full of dead children, that's why.
Yes....because we all know that guns are the only way to kill people. And of course there is no possible way to stab more than one person in a short period of time.
Of course there is no way for a mentally disturbed person to fabricate an explosive devise and deploy it on a school or anything of that sort.
If a disturbed individual wants to commit an evil act......they will. Unless their family members pay attention and intervene in order to provide that person with help.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 4:32 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Check the records of the Continental Army and the records of colonial militias from the French and Indian War. When people joined the militia a record was kept of what or any weapons they brought with them.
What a dumbass.....the reason these weapons were kept is due to the individuals wishing to use their own weapons for the purpose of combat. Also due to weapons not always being issued to individuals as in current military SOP.
They kept the records to ensure the militia maintained their weapons following their service.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 6:58 pm to goldennugget
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Why is it OK for a municipality or state to force gun owners to pay to have to register their firearms and such just so they can exercise their 2nd amendment right,
but it is completely NOT OK for municipalities or states to require a photo ID for voting because it apparently forces "people to have to pay to exercise their right to vote"?
Can you register to vote without any ID? I don't know...it has been a long time since I registered to vote...but it seems to me like I had to have some ID with some proof of residency to register.
The issue with id and voting has nothing to do with paying for ID because the id is free. It is about making it more difficult for people to cast a ballot. Its is hard for some folks to get an ID when they have lost one....the agency that issues them are not open except during normal working hours, etc etc etc......
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:04 pm to germandawg
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The issue with id and voting has nothing to do with paying for ID because the id is free. It is about making it more difficult for people to cast a ballot. Its is hard for some folks to get an ID when they have lost one....the agency that issues them are not open except during normal working hours, etc etc etc......
And the most recent spate of these laws was attempted to be rammed in just ahead of the most recent election.
But you are right - many states have voter ID laws. I don't know why people keep saying they don't.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Why did Obama back voter ID in Africa?
And the most recent spate of these laws was attempted to be rammed in just ahead of the most recent election.
But you are right - many states have voter ID laws. I don't know why people keep saying they don't.
Why does he oppose it here?
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:08 pm to germandawg
quote:bullshite.
It is about making it more difficult for people to cast a ballot.
quote:So fricking what.
Its is hard for some folks to get an ID when they have lost one
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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hy does he oppose it here?
I don't think he opposes it here. I think he opposes it in the form it was proposed last fall - right before the election and onerous to the elderly and poor. I think he would not care at all if State X passed a law saying: "starting in 201X, voters must prevent valid voter ID. And here is the exact, simple process to obtain that ID."
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:27 pm to infantry1026
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They kept the records to ensure the militia maintained their weapons following their service.
Yup but they kept records. People are opposed to any type of record keeping now. Like I said if you want to have a well regulated militia you need to know what types of guns citizens have.
No one is talking about confiscating guns from law abiding citizens. It's about knowing who has what type of guns for when they are asked to join a well regulated militia.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:28 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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It's about knowing who has what type of guns for when they are asked to join a well regulated militia.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:31 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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It's about knowing who has what type of guns for when they are asked to join a well regulated militia.
That's rich.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:48 pm to Scruffy
[quote]It's about knowing who has what type of guns for when they are asked to join a well regulated militia. That's rich.
Well when the shite hits the fan I guess they won't let me use the weapon I told them I didn't have?
Well when the shite hits the fan I guess they won't let me use the weapon I told them I didn't have?
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:57 pm to Jbird
quote:I seriously doubt that it would make any difference "when the shite hits the fan". If you're engaging the US military, there isn't a gun you can legally obtain that would be much use.
Well when the shite hits the fan I guess they won't let me use the weapon I told them I didn't have?
Hell, if you're engaging the Syrian military, there isn't a gun you can legally obtain that would be much use.
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