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re: Calcasieu River Bridge in Lake Charles, La (I-10)

Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:19 am to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57856 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:19 am to
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i believe this hoax started before Saban was coaching at Alabama, for a reference point



I believe you are talking out of your arse. It is rated as STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.

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The rating for the Calcasieu River Bridge has dropped significantly from 1992 to 2010. The 1992 report listed the deck condition as poor (4 out of 9), the superstructure condition as fair, with a 5 out of 9, an evaluation of structurally deficient, and a sufficiency rating of 40.9.


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In 2010, the deck condition was 4 out of 9 (the same), the superstructure condition was rated as serious (3 out of 9), the substructure condition was rated as serious (3 out of 9), and a sufficiency rating of 9.9 was assigned. These ratings evidence is a drastic drop in all but one area. The majority of heavy traffic SD bridges have a sufficiency rating of 50 or better.[10]


The Minnesota bridge that failed. Was rated a 50. The Calc bridge is a 9.9 on the sufficiency rating. Yeah, all's well.

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The I-35W Mississippi River bridge had a sufficiency rating of 50 in 2005, was listed again as "structurally deficient" and in possible need of replacement, and had ongoing repairs to include overlay, lighting, and guardrails, before falling in August 2007. A contributing factor has been attributed to the extra weight caused by the construction.


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Because of the severe substandard rating, the speed limit has been dropped to 50 mph and heavy trucks have been limited to the right lane on the bridge. This actually causes truck traffic to have to contend with merging ramp traffic from both ways, but particularly the east-bound ramp that merges at the foot of the bridge, creating a bottleneck. With the extreme height of the bridge, trucks speeds drop considerably to as low as 20 mph, creating a steady bumper to bumper congested traffic flow across the entire bridge at times, adding a substantial amount of weight on the bridge.


And here is your "point" about it being safe.

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In June 2011, the Louisiana DOTD began a $5.7 million repair project (State Proj. No.: H.006783)[12] on the bridge. Safety and structural repairs included replacing 48 girder pins, and the work was finished by December 22, 2012. Hangers were used for worker safety and precautions were taken to comply with environmental regulations. The existing girder pins were 4-in. (10.2 cm) and were replaced using 4.5-in. (11.4 cm) pins. To facilitate the larger pins, special custom-built drills were used. New 0.875-in. (2.2 cm) A325 structural bolts were used in the pin plate connections. Patrick Bernier, project manager for Topcor Services, LLC, general contractor for the project stated, "The bridge is safe, but it is too narrow according to modern highway standards [ . . . ] And it is too steep on its approaches.”


But it really isn't.

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It had been decided the bridge needed replacing since before 2002. There are several areas of concern including the age of the bridge, the low bridge ratings, steep grades, traffic congestion, amount of traffic that has been estimated at around 55,000 vehicles a day, low vertical traffic clearance, and contamination. These contributing factors rank the bridge as "a dangerous bridge" and 7th in the nation in need of replacing.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:20 am to
Meanwhile - in Alabama (where people have their heads screwed on): LINK

Louisiana needs to stop using the "no money" crutch and let a private company pay for, build, and maintain the bridge in exchange for tolls. (Public-Private Partnership) [P3].

"This P3 model is especially well-suited to transportation megaprojects — such as a new billion-dollar bridge across the Mississippi or replacing and widening a worn-out stretch of interstate highway. All over the world, most megaprojects experience significant cost overruns, late completion, and fewer customers than projected. Under traditional highway contracts, that is no skin off the construction company’s back. Taxpayers end up paying for most cost overruns, and the state may not have enough money to properly maintain the new bridge or highway."

"But in long-term P3s, these risks are transferred to the private investors, via the legally enforceable long-term franchise. In most toll-financed P3 projects, the risk of not enough toll-paying customers is also transferred to investors. They are also contractually obligated to provide proper ongoing maintenance for the entire long term of the franchise. This is a much better model for procuring megaprojects than the typical 20th-century process where nearly all risks are on the taxpayers."

LINK

Quit bitching about tolls, Louisiana, and build the damn bridge!



Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476619 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:23 am to
that rating isn't about structural integrity

that bridge has a low rating b/c the lanes are narrow and the incline/decline is insane. that's why it's insufficient/dangerous

multiple links have been posted from different time periods when this hoax became popular

here is another response from 2013
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57856 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:25 am to
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that rating isn't about structural integrity


It's included in the total rating. The structural deficiency rating does deal with the structural rating of the bridge. While i do tend to agree they would shut down the bridge if it would collapse soon (in part thanks to you making me research further) it is still in dire need of replacement and it still is one of the worst bridges in the country.
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33864 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:25 am to
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Sweet daddy

oh shut the frick up, go explore more charities to not give money to.

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put it on a wall than the safety of our on people

the wall is directly related to the safety of our people. Its a 1:1 ratio. More wall=More Safety

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No infrastructure for the federal government.

its not the federal government's job to fix your local problems. You want a new bridge? Elect local officials who care more about using local tax dollars on local things.

BTW, loving your new drivebys lately. Too bad you wont return to this thread.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56146 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:27 am to
Here's one that will pucker your anus. The I-30 bridge, the main highway between Little Rock and North Little Rock, got a federal inspection four years ago at the state's request so the state could receive federal funds to "repair" the bridge. Feds came and did their inspection and told the state - no money for you. Reason, the bridge is beyond repair, it needs to be replaced.

As of today, not one thing has been done to correct the situation.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476619 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:28 am to
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it is still in dire need of replacement

they're working on it and have been for years but it's complicated (and not just for funding reasons. they will get the funding when the plan is set). there are MAJOR environmental issues and minor political issues (unrelated to funding)
Posted by musick
the internet
Member since Dec 2008
26131 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:30 am to
My wife (from Eunice and thats where we live now) has always been scared of that bridge since she was a kid, and she had no real reason why, thanks for this i get to send her this in a text to confirm her suspicions
Posted by LSURulzSEC
Lake Charles via Oakdale
Member since Aug 2004
79463 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:30 am to
I drive on I-10 and 210 almost every day...
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 7:32 am
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33864 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:32 am to
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there are MAJOR environmental issues

Not sure how accurate this is, but my buddy who works in Westlake said that there are serious issues with the substrata beneath the water in regards to stability. Years of the O&G around the area has adversely affected the base and soil surrounding the pylons.

Is that true? Or more FB conjecture?
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:36 am to
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that safety rating is based on the narrow lanes and angle of ascent, not the risk of the bridge falling


Riiiiiiiight. So we should remove all factors of safety except expectation of collapse.
So how does the structural integrity rate againat others?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476619 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:38 am to
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So we should remove all factors of safety except expectation of collapse.

that bridge is inspected for issues related to collapse regularly. they literally just did a ton of structural work to the bridge last year (because 210 was being shut down this year and the i10 bridge gets an increase in traffic)

you think they didn't inspect the bridge during the months of structural work they just performed or something?

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So how does the structural integrity rate againat others?

i don't know, but it's sufficient for both state and federal inspections that literally just happened, again, a few months ago
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14918 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:39 am to
I drive to Houston once a month and always take the 210.

A bit longer to navigate but worth it.

It's going to be a traffic nightmare if they shut down the I-10 bridge.
Posted by Dogwalk
Perkins, LA
Member since Jun 2016
1188 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:43 am to
I wouldn’t take 2-10 now, half of that bridge is missing.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42268 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:43 am to
FB conjecture. There aren’t oil wells/reservoirs being depleted under the bridge. Pipes do nothing to destabilize either
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66097 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:43 am to
I just drive as fast as I can over it

Less time I spend on it better chances of survival
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28570 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:48 am to
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its not the federal government's job to fix your local problems.


It’s a federal interstate highway.

It’s a dangerous bridge. That has been known for more than a decade. I don’t care about what our local Iraqi minister of information (SlowFlo) says in this thread. The bridge should be replaced.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 7:50 am
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:53 am to
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i believe this hoax started before Saban was coaching at Alabama, for a reference point


I heard Slender Man sleeps under this bridge. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476619 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:53 am to
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The bridge should be replaced.

that's being worked on but it's not that simple. hell a local committee is proposing an alternate, toll bridge b/c the state is dragging its feet

LINK

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On Friday, the Chamber of Southwest Louisiana announced a new proposal for a new I-10 bridge. The proposed design would exist north of and parallel to the current I-10 bridge. Consisting of six lanes, modern lighting, walking/bike paths, 73-foot clearance, and shoulders.

The proposal would cost between $400 and $600 million and include an entrance and exit into Westlake over the railroad.

For the proposal to become a reality, it must get approval from DOTD and the Governor’s Office.


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“In our discussions with experts, we learned that private ventures could quickly work through and develop a design and construct a bridge in a relatively short time period.”

Yakupzack says the private funding method would bring the project to fruition sooner, but require the residents pay a toll in order to use it, but he says it won’t be as large of a burden on the locals.


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It’s a dangerous bridge.

so you think our federal government is inept and has been for a decade+? they keep inspecting the bridge and giving it the OK
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19311 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:54 am to
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The bridge in Minnesota that failed was rated a 26. Yeah, avoid that bridge.
That bridge failed because of a design flaw, exacerbated by repair work being done at the time.

But, the “fake news” back then blamed the collapse on lack of maintenance to make Pres. Bush look bad, and created the mantra “our crumbling infrastructure.” Time to set the record straight.
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