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re: Buckley on Ayn Rand

Posted on 9/8/26 at 10:30 am to
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 9/8/26 at 10:30 am to
Buckley was the only guy in early T.V. conducting debates against prominent leftists. Usually with no idiot reporter acting as a moderator. Just one vs. one. Re: accent...I know that pronouncing 'when' with the 'h' sound first (hwin) sounds odd, but that's the way I was taught to say it in first grade a long time ago.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 9/8/26 at 10:31 am to
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Buckley best selling book, sold 35K copies and hit NYT best seller at number 16.

Atlas Shrugged spent 21 weeks at number one on NYT best seller list and has sold 10 million copies worldwide.

Seems Buckley's swipe at the book was a bit of jealousy




There's a vid out there somewhere with Phyllis Schlafly and Buckley butting heads in a debate and ol Phyllis does a rare thing, she essentially silences Buckley.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/8/26 at 10:35 am to
God and Man at Yale is considered one of the leading conservative books.
Posted by BRich
Old Metairie
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 9/8/26 at 11:30 am to
Was always a fan of Buckley since my college days, when I first saw him on Firing Line and read of his feud against that pansy Gore Vidal.

Read several of his non-fiction books, his On The Right columns in the newspapers, would pick up a copy of National Review every so often and was pleased as punch to see him speak in person at LSU in the mid-eighties while I was a student there.

Some pundit once wrote that to those who called him a blowhard and a pompous bully, that was not true; "Buckley speaks and glows with an intimidating self-assurance".
Posted by RandRules
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 9/8/26 at 12:58 pm to
Fountainhead was her best work and it’s not really close
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/8/26 at 2:13 pm to
A central planned economy was what we had up to the 1960's. High import tariffs, price caps on oil at the wellhead, among other things made the US vulnerable AF by 1970. Ayn Rand did not understand technology. Being from the USSR she understood everything moving by train, including oil. Much of the book is fantasy.

Shale oil, aka kerogen was being extracted from the Rockies before WWII experimentally, first by Unocal. It's just too expensive to rock mine, crush then retort to extract from the rock. Rand obviously didn't know this.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41836 posts
Posted on 9/8/26 at 2:28 pm to
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If you’ve ever read it it is not the best of reads.
What! You didn't like Galt's 100 page monologue?

She was 100%% right about individualism over collectivism. Where she failed was not having a much better editor.
Posted by Hennigan
Member since Jan 2020
1500 posts
Posted on 9/8/26 at 3:28 pm to
Rand is a terrible writer. Some of her ideas are OK. She went on the dole late in life.

Buckley is condescending but makes good points sometimes: neo con central. He has a decent sense of humor.

Buckley's treatment of legitimate conservative Joseph Sobran was despicable.
This post was edited on 9/8/26 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Kapitan
Gretna
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Posted on 9/8/26 at 3:44 pm to
I loved that book. It was a slow start; but once I got into it, I couldn’t put it down.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
57745 posts
Posted on 9/8/26 at 3:49 pm to
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Buckley was a self important wind bag with a fake accent.

Buckley grew up in Mexico with Spanish as his first language. He then went to school (boarding?) in England where he developed his english language accent.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
57745 posts
Posted on 9/8/26 at 3:52 pm to
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Seems Buckley's swipe at the book was a bit of jealousy

He complimented her book Fountainhead, but disliked Atlas Shrugged, so it seems like it was a genuine opinion and not jealousy.

I am a voluminous reader and have been for 56 of my 64 years. I tried to read Atlas Shrugged and gave up because it was so tediously written. And I’ve read some tedious books.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
57745 posts
Posted on 9/8/26 at 3:57 pm to
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Agreed but the message is still valuable.

Some of her message is valuable. Other parts need to be exterminated. Her philosophy of 100% simple self interest is a recipe for holocausts. Her views of the damage of government supplied welfare, and government persecution of the creative and industrious, are spot on. But I can get that from Friedrich Hayek or Lord Acton without the over-aggrandizement of the individual.
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 9/8/26 at 4:38 pm to
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Dude, he rescued the conservative movement when there was no conservative movement. When he came along, the New Deal and Saint Keynes were in full control. Central planning was the order of the day.

He established the conservative movement, nurtured it, and saw it blossom into the election of Reagan. Amazing how many leading conservative writers such as William Rusher, Russell Kirk, Whitaker Chambers. When Buckley died, it was amazing how many writers at other conservative publications said they got their start at National Review.


He was a pro-Israel, conservative gatekeeper.
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