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re: Broken Window Policing Theory
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:11 am to Revelator
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:11 am to Revelator
I'm familiar with the philosophy.
What I haven't seen is research comparing cities which implemented the theory vs those that did not across the same time period. National crime rates went down during that period as a whole, was broken windows completely responsible, partly responsible, or only correlated?
The policy looks effective given the anecdotal evidence, but I'd like to see data to back it up with a control group. I don't know if that exists, but I haven't seen it.
What I haven't seen is research comparing cities which implemented the theory vs those that did not across the same time period. National crime rates went down during that period as a whole, was broken windows completely responsible, partly responsible, or only correlated?
The policy looks effective given the anecdotal evidence, but I'd like to see data to back it up with a control group. I don't know if that exists, but I haven't seen it.
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:14 am to Revelator
I literally heard an ad on the radio saying this exact thing a couple days ago. “Report broken windows in buildings since they attract bad people who make worse problems”.
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:15 am to SCLibertarian
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The desire for a perfectly orderly society
But the Dems will give it to us and it starts by importing millions of third world criminals.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:20 am to SCLibertarian
quote:Does it?
It presupposes that societal disorder is the primary cause for serious crimes.
Or is societal disorder a symptom rather than a cause?
What is the cause of societal disorder? Lack of respect for self and others? Hopelessness? Lack of discipline?
Can intolerance of the symptom (i.e., societal disorder) influence the cause?
If so, it is far from an excuse, but rather a treatment.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:21 am to Revelator
It's what helped clean up new York from a shite hole to what it is today. And it is a very valid and extremely hated by the left style of stopping crime
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:22 am to LSUwag
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New Orleans, Detroit and San Francisco are great examples of their successful strategies.
Correct.
Try reporting any non-violent crime in NOLA and you’ll get an officer to fill out a report. It goes no further than that.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:23 am to NC_Tigah
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What is the cause of societal disorder?
The human condition?
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:31 am to Nguyener
For anybody in this thread with Google, there are many essays, studies , white papers etc that deconstruct every aspect of “ Broken Windows “ . The best criticisms of it tend to be from the left side of Libertarian theory and the best defense of it tends to be crime statistics and LE / local government proponents. Like everything else in life that works splendidly, it is imperfect and draws criticism for ideological reasons. Some valid some not.
Not to be confused with Basiat’s theory of the broken window which is about economic activity.
Not to be confused with Basiat’s theory of the broken window which is about economic activity.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:36 am to SCLibertarian
quote:No.
What is the cause of societal disorder?
The human condition?
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:37 am to SCLibertarian
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I also think it's used as an excuse for revenue raising amongst police departments, which leads to police practices that focus their resources on more minor, revenue-raising offenses instead of violent crimes.
I can see your point on that and think that it has some merit. What also has merit though is that it worked in NYC under Rudy Giuliani and continued under Bloomberg. I started going to NYC in 2013, and even then the tour guides on the bus tours would talk about how we were going through parts of Harlem that they wouldn't have been able to go through 20 years ago and that change was due to the Broken Window method of policing (which includes stop-and-frisk as well as the presence of those raisable police boxes).
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It presupposes that societal disorder is the primary cause for serious crimes.
For a cycle of ongoing serious crime, I would argue that it's correct.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:49 am to SCLibertarian
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used as an excuse for revenue raising amongst police departments, which leads to police practices that focus their resources on more minor, revenue-raising offenses instead of violent crimes.
I have no problem with this. Crime is crime. And it's much easier to catch criminals committing constant small crimes than to wait for them to commit violent ones.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:53 am to SCLibertarian
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The desire for a perfectly orderly society is something out of a dystopian novel.
Nobody said anything about "perfectly".
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:59 am to CDawson
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What if I have a shite coach and a mohagoney table?
What sport?
Posted on 1/1/19 at 12:25 pm to Revelator
if you look at the data crime went down nationally and in many communities of various sizes that dd not practice broken window policing. It can work, but you have to be careful the cops don't overreach and there's evidence that white folks who did the same type of misdemeanor offense didn't face the same level of punishment.
The great 90s decrease in crime that continued not the 00s was mainly due to generation change as boomers aged their crime levels went down and Gen X being smaller didn't commit as many crimes.
The great 90s decrease in crime that continued not the 00s was mainly due to generation change as boomers aged their crime levels went down and Gen X being smaller didn't commit as many crimes.
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 1/1/19 at 12:32 pm to Nguyener
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I have no problem with this. Crime is crime. And it's much easier to catch criminals committing constant small crimes than to wait for them to commit violent ones.
Overpolicing might reduce crime, but there has to be a happy medium between crime-ridden neighborhoods and a police state.
Eventually, you or someone you know will get swept up in the frenzy over minor infractions.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 3:52 pm to Jake88
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Excellent results in NYC. Needs to be tried everywhere that is a crime ridden shithole, like NOLA.
Even if it made the murder rate go down, what do you think cracking down on drunken tourists littering and peeing in public would do to NOLA's economic future?
Posted on 1/1/19 at 3:56 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Eventually, you or someone you know will get swept up in the frenzy over minor infractions
Neither me nor my friends break into cars, loiter in the middle in the night, deal drugs, drive drunk, wander neighborhoods we don't live in, etc...
Posted on 1/1/19 at 3:58 pm to Nguyener
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I have no problem with this. Crime is crime. And it's much easier to catch criminals committing constant small crimes than to wait for them to commit violent ones.
How 'disorderly' is it to violate the speed limit, or change lanes without signaling?
ETA: Does your answer depend on what the car looks like?
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 1/1/19 at 4:23 pm to tokenBoiler
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How 'disorderly' is it to violate the speed limit, or change lanes without signaling?
Speeding in a residential neighborhood where kids play in the streets especially on a two way street with no neutral ground is deserving of the death penalty in my opinion.
But speed traps are not really what broken window policing are all about.
I have no problem with broken window policing or stop and frisk.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 4:36 pm to Huey Lewis
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What if I have a shite coach and a mohagoney table?
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What sport?
John Mohagoney made some great tables too.
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