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re: Brennan Attys Confirm He's Target of S FL Grand Jury Investigation

Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:42 pm to
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

It's not as much that it's a nothingburger as much as it has major jurisdictional issues, and I imagine that will be litigated once an indictment is attempted.



Except when Boassberg gets every damn case where a judgement against OMB is needed.
In those cases, jurisdiction be damned.

BTW still waiting for your explanation about how those 315K illegally counted votes in GA didn't matter.
I notice you manage to reply to damn near every post I make replying to you, but conveniently skipped over that one.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:44 pm to
There are about 10 threads discussing that subject.

You know this because you quoted text from one.

Keep reading that thread and I explain it about 20 ways in detail. Don't derail this thread because you're purposely ignorant.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

Don't derail this thread because you're purposely ignorant.


Shut the frick up. You derail more threads than anyone.
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
960 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:51 pm to
What about RICO? what are the SOL on Rico? And how do you determine "last act"
This post was edited on 12/22/25 at 10:53 pm
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:52 pm to
As you obfuscate yet again, and not only don't reply to the subject matter at hand, but deflect from a direct answer about either that or the previous dodge, then proceed to call me ignorant.

You are so predictable, and everyone here sees it.

ETA:
This post was edited on 12/22/25 at 10:54 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 11:00 pm to
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And how do you determine "last act"


If you're building a RICO case with this story, the issue isn't going to be the last act. It's the ones connecting the first and last.

Lots of connective tissue to establish over 9 years and different actors
Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
11410 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 11:05 pm to
quote:

John Brennan's lawyers have confirmed their client is a target of a criminal grand jury investigation in Florida and are asking the chief federal judge in Miami to stop the proceedings on the grounds that the Justice Department is "judge shopping."

But, Judge James Boasberg is always chosen frequently at random.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 11:21 pm to
Posted by p0845330
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 11:42 pm to
You really should stick to discount divorces.
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
960 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 2:11 am to
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When asked how they could possibly find venue in the Southern District of Florida for an investigation of alleged false statements that were made in a congressional committee room in Washington, D.C., the prosecutors refused to answer."


How about the statements were made and broadcast over the airwaves. Nobody seems to be applying arbitrary rules that regular people get nailed on when the government doesn't want to indict people. These elite people get to skate when inflated charges against regular people stick.
Posted by Bronco11
Member since Jul 2022
465 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 2:59 am to
This isn't a RICO case. Never was, even if the twitter folks wanted it. It's conspiracy against rights.

18 241

Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8935 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 5:08 am to
I'm just going on what we know. I WANT Brennan prosecuted, but, just like with the Comey case, you have grifters who make money off of giving false hope about prosecutions of snakes.

According to the letter. There has been no mention of RICO.

The only act in the Southern District of Florida was the raid on MAL. That would be awesome to see members of the Biden DOJ (and even Biden himself) prosecuted for that.

It's not worth the time doing this on my own, so here's what ChatGPT said [I would be delighted to be wrong about this. Share with us what your AI app says about this]:

#######

No. John Brennan could not realistically be charged under RICO for the Mar-a-Lago search.
There is no legal theory—based on known facts—that would support such a charge.
Here’s the clear legal breakdown.
1. Brennan had no role in the Mar-a-Lago search
The Mar-a-Lago search (August 8, 2022) was:
Authorized by a federal magistrate judge
Requested by the Department of Justice
Executed by the FBI
Based on a search warrant supported by probable cause
John Brennan:
Was not in government at the time
Had no authority over DOJ or FBI
Did not participate in planning, approval, or execution
Had no command or supervisory role
RICO requires participation or direction of criminal conduct. Brennan had zero connection to the operational chain.
That alone ends the analysis.
2. A court-approved search warrant cannot be “racketeering”
For RICO, prosecutors must prove predicate crimes (e.g., bribery, fraud, obstruction).
A lawful search conducted pursuant to:
a sworn affidavit,
judicial approval,
and statutory authority
is not a crime, even if:
controversial,
politically sensitive,
later criticized,
or ultimately unsuccessful in court.
Courts are explicit:
?? Law enforcement actions approved by a judge cannot be transformed into RICO acts absent fraud or corruption.
No court has found:
the warrant fraudulent,
the affidavit knowingly false,
or the search illegal.
3. “Weaponization” claims ? RICO
Even assuming someone believes the raid was:
politically motivated,
overzealous,
unnecessary,
that still does not meet RICO’s elements.
RICO does not criminalize:
alleged political bias
aggressive prosecution
disputed legal interpretations
coordination between agencies
controversial enforcement decisions
Courts routinely dismiss RICO claims that attempt to convert political or law-enforcement disputes into “organized crime.”
4. What would be required for a RICO case (hypothetically)
To even begin a RICO case tied to Mar-a-Lago, prosecutors would need proof that Brennan:
Agreed with DOJ/FBI officials to commit crimes
Directed or participated in acts like:
bribery of officials
fabrication of evidence
perjury in the warrant process
obstruction of justice
Did so as part of an ongoing criminal enterprise
There is no evidence—public or classified—that supports any of this.
5. Why courts would dismiss such a case immediately
Lack of standing (no connection)
Absolute failure of elements
Qualified immunity issues
Separation of powers
Rule 12(b)(6) dismissal for failure to state a claim
Federal judges are especially hostile to RICO claims aimed at former officials based on lawful government acts.
Bottom line
Legally and factually:
Brennan had no involvement in the Mar-a-Lago search
The search was judicially authorized
There are no predicate crimes
RICO would be laughed out of court
This is not a “close call” or gray area—it is not legally viable.


Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8935 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 5:22 am to
Thanks, Bronco. Conspiracy against rights makes more sense.

Of course, AI isn't infallible, but it can be a good starting place. Here's what my ChatGPT said (somebody else, please share what their AI app said):

Short answer: No—there is no realistic legal basis to prosecute John Brennan for “conspiracy against rights” (18 U.S.C. § 241) based on any publicly known facts, including the Mar-a-Lago search or related events.
Here’s the precise legal analysis.
1. What “conspiracy against rights” actually requires (18 U.S.C. § 241)
To prosecute someone under § 241, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that:
Two or more persons conspired
With specific intent
To injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate
A person in the free exercise of a constitutional or federal right
This statute is not about negligence, bias, or bad judgment.
It requires willful, knowing intent to deprive someone of a right.
Courts interpret this very narrowly.
2. Why Brennan does not meet these elements
A. No official authority or participation
At the time relevant to your question (e.g., Mar-a-Lago):
Brennan was a private citizen
He had no law-enforcement authority
No role in:
warrants
prosecutions
searches
charging decisions
A § 241 prosecution requires active participation in the conspiracy—not commentary, opinion, or outside advocacy.
There is no evidence Brennan participated in or directed any deprivation of rights.
B. Lawful judicial process defeats § 241 claims
A court-approved search warrant, supported by:
sworn affidavits,
judicial review,
statutory authority,
cannot constitute a § 241 violation unless prosecutors can prove:
the process was knowingly fraudulent and
the defendant intended to deprive rights through that fraud.
No court has found:
the Mar-a-Lago warrant unconstitutional,
the affidavit perjurious,
or the search unlawful.
Without an underlying illegal deprivation, § 241 fails.
C. Intent is the fatal problem
Even if someone believes Brennan:
disliked Trump,
made partisan statements,
defended law-enforcement actions publicly,
that does not establish the specific criminal intent required under § 241.
Courts repeatedly hold:
Political animus or bias alone is not proof of intent to deprive constitutional rights.
3. When § 241 does apply (contrast cases)
Successful § 241 prosecutions typically involve:
police officers fabricating charges
officials beating detainees
election officials stuffing or destroying ballots
intimidation preventing people from voting
overt acts clearly aimed at denying rights
They involve direct, coercive conduct, not intelligence analysis, media commentary, or institutional decisions reviewed by courts.
4. Investigations already resolved this issue
Multiple oversight mechanisms examined intelligence-community and DOJ conduct over recent years, including:
DOJ Inspector General reviews
congressional investigations
judicial proceedings
None produced:
criminal referrals under § 241
findings of intentional rights deprivation
evidence implicating Brennan in conspiracies
Bottom line
As a matter of law:
Brennan lacked authority or involvement
No constitutional right was unlawfully deprived
No criminal intent can be shown
§ 241 does not apply
A prosecution would be dismissed at the indictment stage.
If you’d like, I can:
break down who could theoretically be liable under § 241 and under what facts
explain why courts guard § 241 so tightly
compare this to historical prosecutions where § 241 actually succeeded
Just tell me how far you want to take it.
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
21383 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 5:25 am to
If get off my lawn had a face it would be his
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7725 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 5:41 am to
Nothing will happen.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
16885 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 5:43 am to
Judge shopping.......you can't make this shite up kinda scare that this ain't gonna happen in DC, go wipe the tears
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
12619 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 5:43 am to
Would not be sad to hear he croaks due to massive constipation,..
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466906 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 6:08 am to
quote:

How about the statements were made and broadcast over the airwaves.


Which ones were purported crimes?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8935 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 6:09 am to
quote:

Judge shopping.......you can't make this shite up kinda scare that this ain't gonna happen in DC, go wipe the tears


Unfortunately, it's much more difficult to forum shop in criminal cases than civil.

Nothing will come of an attempt to prosecute Brennan in South Florida for crimes he might have committed in Virginia (CIA headquarters) or D.C.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466906 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 6:16 am to
quote:

This isn't a RICO case. Never was, even if the twitter folks wanted it.

I think the reason RICO became the cause of action du jour is because of its more broad jurisdiction/venue rules.

quote:

. It's conspiracy against rights.

That makes less sense and has the same "connective tissue" issues

ANY conspiracy that is claimed to have started in 2016 that lasted through 2022-2023 is going to have some major issues. You have to go through all the dots and connect them, and in this case you're talking about people who started in government and were out by February 2017, people chosen by the Trump admin (many who acted independently and part of no conspiracy, like Mueller and his team), and then a whole new set of people in the Biden admin with little to no overlap with the Obama admin.
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