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re: Breaking: Supreme Court Blocks Trump’s Use of Alien Enemies Act to Deport Illegals

Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:02 pm to
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Stephen Miller bloviating on TV doesn't change the above.


I have no clue who Stephen Miller is. Improper….the term the Supreme Court used…does not, In my opinion, equal illegal as a legal term. I don’t think the Supreme Court made that connection either.

You have said the fix itself is simple and procedural. That, too, would indicate not illegal. Simply an improper administrative maneuver. As the Supreme Court described.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44324 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:02 pm to
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If you start a premise off with a lie, you can go anywhere.


Your new sig quote?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477247 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:02 pm to
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Perhaps it’s because it’s the only clear pathway to remove criminal invaders in a timely manner and protect the American citizenry.


But it's not, and they could fix this and re-deport him pretty quickly.

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If this fails, then these violent criminal invaders are going to be allowed to stay and perpetrate crimes against innocent victims.

No. Why do you think that?
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
6394 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:03 pm to
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And removed to a country that was prohibited.



No, sent home. Everyone says they want him home, now he is.
This has gotten so stupid. IF they agree to send one of their citizens back, he will be cuffed upon stepping foot and redeported via the deportation order in place currently, that has been on the books. Yall should pick someone else to hold up as a poster boy
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477247 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Nope. The government has full authority to remove illegal aliens.

Congress wrote a law on this using their Constitutional powers.

The Executive can act pursuant to this law if they so choose, but any action pursuant to the law is specifically limited to the statutory authority of Congress

Again, 2nd grade civics.

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This is not possible as it relates to illegal alien citizens of other countries.

Yes it is, as this power is only given to the Executive via Congressional laws.

Where else do you think this power comes from?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:04 pm to
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But it's not, and they could fix this and re-deport him pretty quickly.


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No. Why do you think that?


You are a disingenuous hack.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:04 pm to
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If removing illegal aliens is beyond the authority of our government, the laws are wrong.
If only there some way to fix them
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44324 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Why do you think that?


Reality?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:04 pm to
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If only there some way to fix them


I reject your premise that the laws need fixing. The courts are wrong.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477247 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:05 pm to
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I have no clue who Stephen Miller is. Improper….the term the Supreme Court used…does not, In my opinion, equal illegal as a legal term. I don’t think the Supreme Court made that connection either.

They used the term "illegal" to describe it as well.

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The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal.


The Supreme Court described the action as both "illegal' and "improper"

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477247 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:06 pm to
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Reality?

There are plenty of methods to remove illegals than the ones used by the admin in this instance (and the TDA examples).

Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
6394 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:06 pm to
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Improper has the same meaning


bullshite and you know it (or should)
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44324 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:07 pm to
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There are plenty of methods to remove illegals than the ones used by the admin in this instance (and the TDA examples).


I wonder if Laken Riley agrees with your take?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:07 pm to
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This is such an easy fix and such a clear frickup it boggles the mind why they're dug their heels in so much.
Jad the same thought. There are so many more important and winnable battles out there—why get bogged down on this one dude. Feels like a such an unforced error.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477247 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:07 pm to
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bullshite and you know it (or should)

Take it up with the USSC. They used "illegal' and "improper" interchangeably in their ruling.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477247 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:07 pm to
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I wonder if Laken Riley agrees with your take?

White flag.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477247 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:08 pm to
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ad the same thought. There are so many more important and winnable battles out there—why get bogged down on this one dude. Feels like a such an unforced error.

It's 100% an unforced error and one that's hurting the admin in the polls (I posted it earlier)
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:09 pm to
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I would suggest that the judiciary willingly participated in the political persecution of Trump.
I think extrapolating what a two-bit hack judge in NY did to the entire system is not a good place to be. If you’re going to throw the entire judicial
system and constitutional construct over one, or even a few, judges… you were never committed to it to begin with.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:11 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44324 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:09 pm to
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There are so many more important and winnable battles out there


I disagree.

If this pathway of “nearly immediate” removal exists, then that is the pathway I prefer.

As I understand it, the USSC has yet to determine if that pathway is no longer an option.

Until they do, I will hold out hope.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:09 pm to
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why get bogged down on this one dude.


Noone is bogged down on the individual you're discussing, except the Dems who are making a grave error. He's not coming back. It's over.
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