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re: Breaking: Supreme Court Blocks Trump’s Use of Alien Enemies Act to Deport Illegals

Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:46 pm to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:46 pm to
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and if the courts rule they have acted illegally,


The Court said the El Salvador guy was improperly removed. They never used the word “illegal” if I recall correctly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:47 pm to
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They aren't. The courts are.

No. People are relying on the courts to ensure they don't violate their various limits.

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If removing illegal aliens is beyond the authority of our government, the laws are wrong.

Then change them, starting with the 5th Amendment to the Constitution.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:47 pm to
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The Court said the El Salvador guy was improperly removed. They never used the word “illegal” if I recall correctly.


He just wants deportations to be stalled in court indefinitely so he can "stadium on principle" while the country burns around him.
Posted by Warrior Court
Atlanta
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:48 pm to
Haha eat shite MAGA
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59474 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:48 pm to
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The Supreme Coirt disagrees with you, dummy.


No they don’t. They have never said the administration violated the constitution or acted illegally. Dummy. You dont understand what their rulings say. Which is why you should never call anyone dumb.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:48 pm to
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Then change them, starting with the 5th Amendment to the Constitution.


Not necessary. The laws allow for the removal of illegal aliens. The courts are violating the laws if they rule otherwise.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 1:49 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59474 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:50 pm to
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Haha eat shite MAGA


This is more your speed. Stick to this…don’t try to interpret Supreme Court rulings. You are really bad at it.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44324 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:50 pm to
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by Warrior Court


So you want to welcome child molesting invaders, or purveyors of human trafficking huh?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:50 pm to
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The Court said the El Salvador guy was improperly removed.

And removed to a country that was prohibited.

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They never used the word “illegal” if I recall correctly.


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The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal.


LINK

And then this language:

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The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador


Improper has the same meaning, as the impropriety was violation of a court order and therefore the action was illegal (as stated in the first quote)

This is such an easy fix and such a clear frickup it boggles the mind why they're dug their heels in so much.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:50 pm to
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Just to play Devil’s Advocate, what if the system is rigged?
If the SCOTUS is acting outside of its authority, Congress can act. If Congress doesn’t act the people can act on congress.

But the reality is the definition of “rigged” seems to change every 4th year. Biden said it was “rigged” and he had no power to act. Trump is saying the same thing, even tho he has a completely different agenda.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477249 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:51 pm to
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Not necessary.

In a nation without laws and/or a dictatorship, perhaps.

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The laws allow for the removal of illegal aliens.

This authority is specific and limited.

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The courts are violating the laws if they rule otherwise.

Not if actions were taken outside of statutory authority or in violation of the Constituion.

This is 2nd grade civics.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44324 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:53 pm to
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But the reality is the definition of “rigged” seems to change every 4th year. Biden said it was “rigged” and he had no power to act. Trump is saying the same thing, even tho he has a completely different agenda.


I would suggest that the judiciary willingly participated in the political persecution of Trump.

To me, that equates to rigged.

Biden had no such issue that Incan recall.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477249 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:55 pm to
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I would suggest that the judiciary willingly participated in the political persecution of Trump.



Wow

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To me, that equates to rigged.

If you start a premise off with a lie, you can go anywhere. It's like dividing by 0
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59474 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:55 pm to
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Improper has the same meaning


I respectfully disagree. If I file a pleading or make an argument in court that the Judge determines as improper, I have not committed an illegal act. Improper is an administrative term. Which is supported by the fact Immigration Courts are administrative.

Is the quote stating the US admitted it was illegal based upon the affidavit of the official that was since removed from his position?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44324 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:57 pm to
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This is such an easy fix and such a clear frickup it boggles the mind why they're dug their heels in so much.


Perhaps it’s because it’s the only clear pathway to remove criminal invaders in a timely manner and protect the American citizenry.

I don’t blame the Trump administration for pushing the issue. If this fails, then these violent criminal invaders are going to be allowed to stay and perpetrate crimes against innocent victims.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
6394 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:58 pm to
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Haha eat shite MAGA


Just wanna confirm, you want illegal criminals to stay in our borders, when they have countries that they are citizens of that are not US?

It's a yes or no
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477249 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:59 pm to
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Is the quote stating the US admitted it was illegal based upon the affidavit of the official that was since removed from his position?

That and literally every pleading filed so far.

No attorney has signed a pleading arguing otherwise, to correct the prior assertion. That's why the USSC accepted the admin's version of the events.

Stephen Miller bloviating on TV doesn't change the above.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:00 pm to
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Is simplistic in delivery,

It was meant to be.
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but complex in practice.
Absolutely.
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I would argue that we have been living in a bureaucratic dictatorship for quite some time.
Clearly.

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I mean, it could be argued that El Salvador is a dictatorship.
Dictators are damn efficient at enacting change. Some of those changes may even be good things. They are almost always popular changes (at the beginning). It’s not an argument for saying dictators are good. (not that I think you were taking thst position)

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Then again, I see Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden as all being on team bureaucracy.

Ditto Congress.

I suppose we will se
The problem is us. “We” keep electing people on Tram Bureaucracy. The judiciary is the only branch insulated from voters will (for a reason). Seemingly some in this tread thing thst shouldn’t be, that they should have to follow what the executive wants.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:00 pm to
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This authority is specific and limited.



Nope. The government has full authority to remove illegal aliens. It is a violation of the law for it not to do so.

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Not if actions were taken outside of statutory authority or in violation of the Constituion.


This is not possible as it relates to illegal alien citizens of other countries.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:02 pm to
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The problem is us. “We” keep electing people on Tram Bureaucracy. The judiciary is the only branch insulated from voters will (for a reason). Seemingly some in this tread thing thst shouldn’t be, that they should have to follow what the executive wants.


Ah, so your argument is that the judiciary is ruling against the best interests of our nation, and that's good. Got it.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:02 pm
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