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re: Breaking: Explosive law suit alleges Fox News and Trump pushed Fake News Seth Rich story

Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:07 pm to
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the fact that people are just going all in on Burt's "lol I was just joking" defense is hilarious to me
That's all they have. The same guy claims to be responsible for the Benghazi stuff. Ha ha.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:08 pm to
BTW, your list is not exhaustive. Where is WSJ, washington times, circa,?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59474 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:09 pm to
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That's all they have. The same guy claims to


So we can all agree Burt isn't credible, right?
Posted by AU_Right
Member since Oct 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:12 pm to
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So now the DC police are involved in this "vast" conspiracy.

hilarious

Money talks...you ever heard of that? Probably already mentioned, but there has been at least three, I'm thinking four people involved with the DNC/Debbie blabbermouth Schultz or the Clinton's found dead in less than a year...and not a word.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:16 pm to
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So we can all agree Burt isn't credible, right?
Without a doubt.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:18 pm to
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Why do you keep on acting like WAPO and NYT are some sort of objective papers? They are great at reporting news, but their ideological editorial bent is clearly to the left.

Why would a conservative trust wapo? nyt? These sites are left wing.




I don't think anywhere I claimed that any place was non-bias. The idea that non-bias can ever be achieved is this weird myth that just won't die.

But one can strive for objectivity, context, and integrity in their journalism or reporting.

The better question is, if the operating logic of conservatives is that partisanship disqualifies a place from operating with integrity, then why does that not apply to Sean Hannity, Fox News, Infowars, Brei Bart, Levin, Drudge, or The Gateway Pundit? Or is the conclusion that because the assumption is everyone is out to push a political agenda above all else, I mine as well just stick to the places that align with my biases?
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:20 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:22 pm to
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BTW, your list is not exhaustive. Where is WSJ, washington times, circa,?



WSJ is at the top. One of the few credible places the right trusts(though I wonder if it has to do with the op-ed section that is very different from the rest of the paper. And given the negative reaction to some of their stories as fake news on here that don't play nice to Trump, I suspect that has some merit)

Times and Circa are largely trash. The idea you consider them to be on the level of quality journalism says how poorly the right-wing media chamber is.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59474 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:24 pm to
Quit being a bigot and learn to argue without defaulting to "Muh foxnews"
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:25 pm to
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Quit being a bigot and learn to argue without defaulting to "Muh foxnews"






Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19624 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:26 pm to
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It's only people the consume Fox News and probably spend little to no time whatsoever reading actual journalism that think there is some sort of equivalency between places like the NyTimes, WaPo,


Please tell me you're kidding. WaPo and NYT are the kings of fake news. Here's 32 examples of fake news from the MSM: LINK

And that list was compiled back in February. One could compile a list at least twice that long since then.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59474 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:27 pm to
My bad. Should have included emoticons in my prior post. I forgot that pretty much wraps up your repertoire.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:28 pm to
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It's written like a high school op-ed. The author lost me

I'm not surprised you can't follow a high school op-ed.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74218 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:29 pm to
Ok, your big issue is that you fail to realize that a place is trusted/distrusted by a certain ideology based on the viewpoints the articles put out.

Go to nyt or wapo right now and most of the articles are not journalism, but rather left wing opinion pieces. That is how news makes money these days.

The reason why liberals don't trust wsj or fox is because the sites mostly contain conservative viewpoints. The reason conservatives don't trust wapo, nyt, abc is because most of the time they are left wing in their article selection.

And editorials are not journalism.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167605 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:30 pm to
Way to cite the WSJ most likely because they have reported the actual news not always flattering to Trump. Yet you seem to let the MSM fly.

Circa News MAIN reporters: one is a award winner, they are both-- highly credited investigative reporters. They are former MSM news reporters.

You also seem to be saying Wash Times is trash because they are again fairly reported news, not always flattering to Trump. If they lean right or in the middle- GOOD, someone has to balance it out.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:45 pm to
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Please tell me you're kidding. WaPo and NYT are the kings of fake news. Here's 32 examples of fake news from the MSM: LINK

And that list was compiled back in February. One could compile a list at least twice that long since then.



Coming from a place that was founded not to be a journalistic outlet, but to be a conservative rebuttal to the Washington Post. Putting their ideology and forwarding it atop the mission statement of the enterprise.

That is the distinction being made here. Mistakes ALWAYS happen in journalism. That is inseparable from the profession. How they are handled tells you a lot about a place. How they occurred in the first place as well. The first one you posted for instance, Politico already corrected on its own accord and you can visit the site right now with the correction. How is Fox News handling the Seth Rich story? What does its origin and pathway tell you about them?

Most of that list is scattershot nonsense though. Where a refutation is based upon another person's opinion of the matter. Or uses the Trump administration's PR as the "proof" of something being fake. Which in and of itself exposes a severe lack of journalistic standards and does a clear disservice to the audience by asserting that an unverified assertion is interchangeable with proven matters of fact.

But it becomes clear how you all get caught up in these loops when this is what you consider to be quality reporting.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59474 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:47 pm to
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But it becomes clear how you all get caught up in these loops when this is what you consider to be quality reporting.


I bet you don't even realize what you did here...
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:49 pm to
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I bet you don't even realize what you did here...




Have you come up with anything of value to say yet besides damage controlling for Fox News?
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:50 pm to
I haven't been able to read this whole thing. Is everyone still buying into this conspiracy despite the complete lack of logic or evidence supporting it?
Posted by RowLseat13
ATX
Member since Nov 2016
61 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:56 pm to
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How is Fox News handling the Seth Rich story?
As an open investigation?
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Mistakes ALWAYS happen in journalism
Interesting you discount the possibility that NPR, especially given NPR idiotically reporting as if one side's charges in a lawsuit are indisputable facts.
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