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re: BREAKING: Biden orders 1,000 paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne to Kabul.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:44 am to PJinAtl
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:44 am to PJinAtl
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You mean the same military commanders who overestimated the backbone of the Afghan Defense Force?
If you are talking about Milley, HE IS NOT A COMMANDER. He is the military equivalent of Jen Psaki.
The GCCs (CENTCOM, SOUTHCOM, EUCOM, AFRICOM, PACOM, NORTHCOM) report directly to the SECDEF and have since the mid-80's.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:48 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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So.. the plan was to get stuck at an airport?
Don't be obtuse. The plan obviously went wrong, you fricking dolt. That's the whole point I am making here.
The military is always, and I mean always, prepared for when any operation goes sideways. I'd bet my house that the military in the region knew about possibly deploying 1000 to assist before this morning, and prep has been under way.
Most here are acting like someone woke up and told Biden to make the order this morning and it's a surprise to the guys in the region.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:52 am to ShoeBang
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Don't be obtuse. The plan obviously went wrong, you fricking dolt. That's the whole point I am making here.
The military is always, and I mean always, prepared for when any operation goes sideways. I'd bet my house that the military in the region knew about possibly deploying 1000 to assist before this morning, and prep has been under way.
Most here are acting like someone woke up and told Biden to make the order this morning and it's a surprise to the guys in the region.
The military could have been out days ago. This has nothing to do with the military. The military doesn't plan for things they are not involved with, generally speaking.
More or less it was turned over to the local military and civil part of the US government. At the end of the day, the top part of the US government probably wasn't listening.
Its not complex, you keep talking about the military... but the military really wasn't involved anymore.
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The plan obviously went wrong, you fricking dolt.
The military operation was completed you idiot. What you are talking about has nothing to do with the military... military personnel could have been out in probably a few hours. Within a few more weeks even those troops probably wouldn't have been there... they were ordered to withdraw, with they did.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:56 am to ShoeBang
quote:I appreciate your trust in our profession. However, unfortunately, your trust is more misplaced than you realize. We are good at making up ground after a mistake has been made. Experts in crisis response. But we too often have a very optimistic view of the situation and are (in fact) not nearly as prepared when things go sideways.
The military is always, and I mean always, prepared for when any operation goes sideways.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:57 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The military operation was completed you idiot. What you are talking about has nothing to do with the military... military personnel could have been out in probably a few hours.
Ok so if you want to continue with semantics.....I ask:
Do you believe the military personnel in the region were NOT prepared to assist if American lives were put at risk in the act of, or in the short term aftermath of the withdrawal, regardless of their enlistment status (see now I got your retarded semantics out of the way here if you didn't notice)? That's where you stand on this?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:57 am to Wolfhound45
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I appreciate your trust in our profession. However, unfortunately, your trust is more misplaced than you realize. We are good at making up ground after a mistake has been made. Experts in crisis response. But we too often have a very optimistic view of the situation and are (in fact) not nearly as prepared when things go sideways.
He's an idiot because he thinks this was a military operation, the military operation was more or less completed i.e. withdrawal of troops.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:59 am to ShoeBang
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Ok so if you want to continue with semantics.....I ask: Do you believe the military personnel in the region were NOT prepared to assist if American lives were put at risk in the act of, or in the short term aftermath of the withdrawal, regardless of their enlistment status (see now I got your retarded semantics out of the way here if you didn't notice)? That's where you stand on this?
NO, their job was to withdraw i.e. order. Of course, when you are ordered to stay... you stay, but no there was no preparing for this.
The military operation was more or less complete, the remaining troops were "preparing" to leave. Jesus this isn't that difficult.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:06 pm to Roy Curado
It was reported that ice cream will be air dropped into the region
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:09 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The military operation was more or less complete, the remaining troops were "preparing" to leave. Jesus this isn't that difficult.
So again, literally no other group was prepared to assist? That's your stance? No other group received orders that could have been possibly different?
There were no contingency plans to utilize any other part of the USA's vast military resources to assist if deemed necessary?
People acting like weeks are needed to move assets and get things going, when I argue they have been combat ready for days now because they were put on alert in case they may be needed. So their orders are different that the orders of the men ordered to evacuate. You understand it is possible for two different groups to receive two different sets of orders right? And you understand that commanders are told that they should get combat ready for deployment in case they are needed right? Even if they don't know where they are ready.
I feel like we are arguing for no reason other than we are just in disagreement about who had what orders and when.
I just cannot believe, in good faith, that the 82nd's top dog woke up to a surprise about getting his boys dropped into Goatfrickistan this morning.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:13 pm to Wolfhound45
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I appreciate your trust in our profession
Grandfather: Combat vet - 2nd battle of Guam, Marines
Uncle - Vietnam POW
Brother in Law - 2 tours in Iraq, Marines. Purple heart
You're goddamn right I appreciate it. I considered it until my parents talked me out of it after 9/11 (i was 16 on 9/11)
Thank you for your service and sacrifice.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:13 pm to ShoeBang
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So again, literally no other group was prepared to assist? That's your stance? No other group received orders that could have been possibly different?
There were no contingency plans to utilize any other part of the USA's vast military resources to assist if deemed necessary?
This isn't difficult, the military was ordered to withdraw. They did. The military doesn't just go around making plans let alone plans for huge operations without orders.
This was no longer a military operation, generally speaking the military part was over.
You just don't simply load up 5,000-10,000 troops (plus vehicles, support, etc) on few planes in hours. This is more of a weeks type thing.
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People acting like weeks are needed to move assets and get things going, when I argue they have been combat ready for days now because they were put on alert in case they may be needed.
It takes X number of days to get X number of troops ready to go, than you need X number of days to plan the logistics, than you need X number of days to run all the sorties to carry out the above... which at best case means movement from Europe (at best).
You could do small scale bombing runs in say 4-5 days but you're not transporting large amount of troops which haven't been preposition-ed in days, more like 10-15 days.
And even if you have that... at this point, you might not even have a runway. So, all of your planning was done for one type of operation, now you have no runway.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:18 pm to Roy Curado
frick that and all you stupid mother frickers and the media calling for him to do something. Unless its to get Americans we should not be sending one god damn soldier there.
frick that place and the people there. They have always been that away and are not and have never been worth the life of one american serviceman.
let them sort it out themselves.
frick that place and the people there. They have always been that away and are not and have never been worth the life of one american serviceman.
let them sort it out themselves.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:25 pm to GnashRebel
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My old unit. Taliban don’t want none of that.
They have been jumping non stop the last month to prep for this
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:27 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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They have been jumping non stop the last month to prep for this
Not according to Gen FightingTigers a few posts up
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:29 pm to ShoeBang
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Not according to Gen FightingTigers a few posts up
Well, if they have been planning for this... where they at?
So... it was a plan to be running for the hills?
This was no longer a military operation, this was the result of poor decision making at the White House. This isn't complex.
You're not making any sense. <----
Unless they secure the airport its going to be a while. And to move 20,000-30,000 Afgans, you're looking at 100s of sorties.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:35 pm to Roy Curado
I have been told... and I have no way to verify the comment and what it implies.. that someone who is completing their training as a Marine will be "stationed in Afghanistan by the end of the month".
To me, that seems to infer some form of a longer term commitment to something... And/or that there is more being planned that will be elaborated on by the President.
????
To me, that seems to infer some form of a longer term commitment to something... And/or that there is more being planned that will be elaborated on by the President.
????
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:36 pm to Roy Curado
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It takes .2 seconds to not be lazy and click the link.
It is customary on TD to quote a brief portion of the article or description of a video in your subject and is expected. Instead of being an arse, learn the customs of this site before attacking long term posters.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:37 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Well, if they have been planning for this... where they at?
Some are already there……
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:39 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Some are already there……
Not all the troops had left, there was no contingency plan which is why you are witnessing what you are witnessing.
The military portion of operations in Afghanistan were mostly over. The remaining military troops could have been on a plane last week.
There was no plan to pull the Embassy or Afgan civilians out, which is why the scramble is on.
This is purely a White House issue i.e. policy.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:41 pm
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