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Boycott sham impeachment - Rand Paul
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:42 pm
There’s more lead up, but getting to the point:
The Hill Op-Ed
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Whatever this exercise is that the Democrats began and insist on continuing, it’s not impeachment.
How do we know that for sure? Look closely.
The Constitution says two things about impeachment — it is a tool to remove the officeholder, and it must be presided over by the chief justice of the Supreme Court.
Neither one of those things will happen. President Trump is gone, and Justice John Roberts, properly noticing the absence of an officeholder being impeached, is declining to preside.
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If Justice Roberts is not presiding over this, then it is not impeachment. This charade will be nothing more than bitter partisanship and political theater.
I am more than willing to work with Democrats to find common ground on protecting civil liberties or ending some of our many foreign military interventions, but no unity or common ground will be found while Democrats continue to fight the last election. This so-called impeachment is a farce and should be dismissed before it is even allowed to begin.
The Hill Op-Ed
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:38 am to TerryDawg03
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The Constitution says two things about impeachment — it is a tool to remove the officeholder, and it must be presided over by the chief justice of the Supreme Court.
If Trump were to actually be unconstitutionally "impeached" by 2/3s of the Senate, it would be appealed to SCOTUS.
The fact Roberts is fleeing this circus shows how the SCOTUS would rule.
Pence could have sent unconstitutionally selected electors back to each state legislature, and let them decide which electors should be counted. If those legislatures re-submitted Hiden for prez, then this would have been over. If those state legislatures accepted electors selected by breaking state election laws, then many people would have been upset, but the legislatures would have spoken with full knowledge as to what happened. It would have been constitutional. Violations of election laws set by state legislatures make the selection of electors for prez null and void, regardless as to which candidate receives them.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:58 am to obdobd918
You can't appeal an impeachment. Impeachment is a political punishment.
If they want to boycott the impeachment, they can go ahead, but that just means there will need to be less votes for Trump to be convicted and eliminated from politics.
If they want to boycott the impeachment, they can go ahead, but that just means there will need to be less votes for Trump to be convicted and eliminated from politics.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:05 am to GregoryD
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GregoryD
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:06 am to GregoryD
I think instead of "appeal" the proper nomenclature would be "legal challenge on Constitutional basis". That is if the Trump team were to seek SC review of anything. But surely you're not suggesting that the Supreme Court has no Constitutional authority to review actions of the Legislative Branch...?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 7:43 am to davyjones
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I think instead of "appeal" the proper nomenclature would be "legal challenge on Constitutional basis". That is if the Trump team were to seek SC review of anything. But surely you're not suggesting that the Supreme Court has no Constitutional authority to review actions of the Legislative Branch...?
I hope Trump simply ignores whatever punitive action they think they can dole out from this.
Go to the trial. Expose the corruption in defense of himself. When it’s over and they try to issue whatever consequences they think they can issue, that’s when he ignores it and walks out.
It’s not a court of law. What’re they going to do?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 7:44 am to davyjones
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But surely you're not suggesting that the Supreme Court has no Constitutional authority to review actions of the Legislative Branch...?
Impeachment is not reviewable by SCOTUS. It is purely a political process and a political outcome.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 7:45 am to TerryDawg03
Republicans should flat out ignore it and refuse to participate.
Trump should ignore it and refuse to mount a defense.
Trump should ignore it and refuse to mount a defense.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:08 am to Indefatigable
There is assuredly nothing in the Constitution that provides an impeachment proceeding and/or subsequent Senate trial, including the numerous steps and actions taken therein, are not reviewable by the Judiciary. Would they choose to exercise that power is a different question altogether, that I will concede.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:10 am to TerryDawg03
Rand delivering facts as usual.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:12 am to TerryDawg03
If Justice Roberts doesn't preside, then it's just a regular Senate debate passing illegal legislation to prohibit Trump from running again.
Trump would be able to challenge this in court, should he decide to run again.
I don't think he will. I think he will settle into sniping RINOS with challengers, which will be fun to watch.
Trump would be able to challenge this in court, should he decide to run again.
I don't think he will. I think he will settle into sniping RINOS with challengers, which will be fun to watch.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:13 am to TerryDawg03
This is just more demprog fraud due to OMB.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:14 am to Indefatigable
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Impeachment is not reviewable by SCOTUS. It is purely a political process and a political outcome.
The ramifications of impeachment certainly are reviewable by SCOTUS.
Can a supermajority Congress decide to impeach opposing party candidates prior to an election? Of course not.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:16 am to GregoryD
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You can't appeal an impeachment. Impeachment is a political punishment.
Sure you can.
It’s likely to go nowhere. There’s precedent for the judiciary not intervening in impeachment proceedings.
But Democrats should still be embarrassed.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:17 am to Indefatigable
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Impeachment is not reviewable by SCOTUS. It is purely a political process and a political outcome.
He can attempt to run for federal public office and force the courts to make a ruling on whether he is allowed to run or not.
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