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Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:53 pm to HeadCall
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Not sure what that has to do with anything
Your takes are all over the place, in terms of generational stereotypes. I was curious which one you belonged to. Sometimes you give boomer vibes (not meant as an insult).
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your ideas on addressing this issue
Idk. Obviously it’s not as easy as saying “young men need to put themselves out there.” If it were that easy, men would already be doing it. There is a societal expectation for men to appear tough but I don’t think they really are anymore, generally speaking.
Life has gotten too easy for our species.
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:04 pm to Jimmyboy
Back when figs knew that they were queer but not women.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:06 pm to HeadCall
quote:Maybe.. must maybe, hear me out here… But possibly… constantly describing them as “toxic” and “oppressors” since birth, destroying every male social normative behavior, and trying to “trans” them into girls… weren’t al the best ideas ever. I know! Crazy huh?
Today’s leaders have been slow to recognize the extent of male troubles,
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:07 pm to HeadCall
Why did you leave this out of the OP:
Gift article link
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Gov. Gavin Newsom of California just signed an executive order that was hard to imagine a few months ago. It offers a comprehensive plan to tackle what it describes as “California’s growing crisis of connection and opportunity for men and boys.” Mr. Newsom said the order was “about showing every young man that he matters and there’s a path for him of purpose, dignity, work and real connection.”
Gift article link
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:08 pm to 4cubbies
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Your takes are all over the place, in terms of generational stereotypes.
In what way?
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There is a societal expectation for men to appear tough but I don’t think they really are anymore, generally speaking. Life has gotten to easy for our species.
Toughness is discouraged among young men and boys now.
Go watch a little league baseball game. The entire opposing team takes a knee if a 9 yo takes a pitch in the ribs from a 40mph hour fastball while he cries instead of just taking his base while his mom runs onto the field to check on him like he was just mowed down by a machine gun on Omaha beach.
Zero tolerance for violence policy in schools. A couple of kids get into a fight and let’s expel them and calm the cops.
Wanna frick a chick who’s had a few drinks at a bar? May as well take her out back and rape her by the dumpster.
I won’t even get into discriminatory, though completely legal hiring practices. Wanna be an airline pilot(my industry), be a girl and meet the minimum required experience and it’s an automatic job offer. If you’re a dude, go ahead and double those minimums and hope you even get an interview. I don’t know from experience but I assume this goes for other professional and male dominated industries like medicine, engineering and law.
We can’t have Boy Scouts but we can have Girl Scouts.
The irony is that men created the society is too easy for everyone and it has benefited your gender and left men behind.
So outside of the zombie apocalypse or a nuclear winter we need to create avenues for boys to become men. And that involves denying some opportunities to women.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:09 pm to HeadCall
Seems like it could have been an interesting read, but I'm not giving any information to the New York Times just so I can read it.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:09 pm to 4cubbies
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Why did you leave this out of the OP:
Because it’s a long as article and I can’t put everything in the OP
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:10 pm to HeadCall
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but he has the balls to post on an internet forum
TF are you talking about?
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:12 pm to 4cubbies
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Why did you leave this out of the OP:
You should have read the actual executive order. All he did was direct agencies to study the problem. All they're doing is talking about it. Nothing in that order reverses any of the Democrst policies that got us here.
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:12 pm to Azkiger
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TF are you talking about?
Well you edited the quote of what I posted so I can understand your confusion.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:13 pm to imjustafatkid
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You should have read the actual executive order. All he did was direct agencies to study the problem. All they're doing is talking about it.
It’ll make a good soundbite in 2028
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:15 pm to HeadCall
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It’ll make a good soundbite in 2028
And that's all it is. People like 4cubbies will blindly accept it as "doing something" when it actually doesn't do anything.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:16 pm to imjustafatkid
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And that's all it is. People like 4cubbies will blindly accept it as "doing something" when it actually doesn't do anything.
This is true. And Gavin is a blowhard incompetent fool imo. But at least there’s a conversation about the problem now.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:17 pm to imjustafatkid
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All they're doing is talking about it. Nothing in that order reverses any of the Democrst policies that got us here.
Theoretically, one would need to study a problem to identify the cause. But, since it’s government, nonprofits will get paid a bunch of money to not address the problem.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:17 pm to HeadCall
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Too many boys and young men are unwoven from the fabric of our society. In sociological terms, they lack social capital. This is dangerous for them and for everyone else. These lonely, detached young men can become susceptible to reactionary voices, mostly online, who turn legitimate suffering into dangerous grievances. But it’s important not to confuse the symptoms with the cause, which is disconnection.
I never thought about this crisis as born out of men lacking social capital. I think they lack self-esteem. There’s no need to over-intellectualize it.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:19 pm to 4cubbies
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Theoretically, one would need to study a problem to identify the cause. But, since it’s government, nonprofits will get paid a bunch of money to not address the problem.
Nope, we know the cause, and the authors of the article (which I can read now thanks to your link) miss the boat:
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Doing more for boys and men does not mean doing less for girls and women, of course. There is plenty of work to do, for example, in tackling the gender pay gap, increasing the representation of women in leadership roles (especially in big tech) and widening access to reproductive health care. As all the politicians leading on this issue correctly insist, gender equality is not a zero-sum game. We can do two things at once. We can take better care of girls and boys.
The problem IS that we are doing far too much for women. The problem IS the idea that women need to be in leadership roles. If you cannot appropriately identify a problem, you cannot fix it.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:22 pm to 4cubbies
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I never thought about this crisis as born out of men lacking social capital. I think they lack self-esteem. There’s no need to over-intellectualize it.
I don’t know what the frick “social capital” is but our young men and boys have been left behind and it needs to be fixed. Unfortunately for feminists that probably means rolling back some of the “advancements” that have been made in that arena the past couple of generations.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:24 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I don’t need a “study” to tell me getting punched in the face hurts. Some things are obvious if you bother to look.
Theoretically, one would need to study a problem to identify the cause.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:25 pm to KingOrange
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Democrat Pedos have caused this.
Republicans have tattooed the pedo label on themselves. You worship the king pedo.
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