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re: Boots on the ground. Necessary evil?
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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What if my son is a patriotic red blooded American who grew up hunting and fishing in the ozark mountains watching sec football and wanted to protect the things he holds dear, so he signs up to defend America and instead he goes and dies in a shite hole for a bunch of fricking Jews who believe his lord and savior is burning in pig shite.
What if your son doesn’t necessarily agree word for word with your views and beliefs on that particular topic? You sound like it’s a foregone conclusion and expectation that your son WILL align with your views and beliefs on this, and furthermore that all the rest of us should too, or what, I guess anyone who doesn’t is a “retard?” Lol
Oh, and here’s a little nugget for your consideration: I’m pretty certain that the average potential enlistee in our military has probably pondered where and to what his enlistment could possibly lead him, based on the geopolitical circumstances of the world at that time. And if there’s any realistic possibilities that may lead him somewhere that HIS political beliefs simply cannot reconcile, then that would likely be a reason to reconsider the decision to begin with.
Luckily the men and women in our military aren’t controlled by the political whims and fits of their fathers. Lol absolutely insane, this is.
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 12:13 pm
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Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:17 pm to RoyalWe
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Necessary for what? I'm fine with what has been accomplished without boots. If the Iranians step up, take over, form a new government then that's just gravy. If they don't, then let shite settle down or work itself out. We might be there ensuring security until things do settle down, but the rest of the world wants the Strait of Hormuz to be available for legal traffic. As much as they might hate the US, their neighbors would eventually force them to stop any shenanigans which is Irish tomfoolery and has no business in the Middle East.
EDIT: I wish I understood the reason for the downvotes. Do the down voters believe we must have boots on the ground because the Iranian people can’t/won’t take over? If they can’t, then maybe the USA somehow enables them but that doesn’t require boots on the ground.
I am with you.
We've given the Iranian civilians a huge opportunity to overthrow the regime without having to put US boots on the ground. If they don't act, then that is on them. We tried.
In the meantime, we've set whatever nuclear program they may have had back by multiple decades.
Our main concern now should be ensuring normal flow of traffic through the strait.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:22 pm to Wednesday
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Ahh the gloriousness of MIC incrementalism
This was always going to happen. Anyone with two functioning neurons can see that the path we are on is leading to a disaster.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:25 pm to SloaneRanger
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If the Israelis want it so bad, let them send their troops.
Why send your own people to die when the goyim have proven that they'll send theirs to die on your behalf?
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:28 pm to davyjones
Did you forget to take your meds this morning? No one’s saying people in the military can’t think for themselves or do what they want.
Some of us see beyond the narrative and don’t want our kids or others dying for a cause that is not an existential threat to their lives or our country.
Some of us see beyond the narrative and don’t want our kids or others dying for a cause that is not an existential threat to their lives or our country.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:28 pm to davyjones
quote:your right maybe he’ll want to go die for a bunch of Jews who believe Jesus is burning in pig shite!
What if your son doesn’t necessarily agree word for word with your views and beliefs on that particular topic?
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:30 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Maybe he can bring a note that says per his daddy he’s not allowed to participate in any operations that involve political undertones with which daddy doesn’t agree. 
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:31 pm to davyjones
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I don’t guess you believe your son can think for himself and make decisions for himself, or I guess perhaps if he were to make his own decisions, such as joining the military, knowing full well that if he ever were to see any action it could easily be in the Middle East, apparently you’d have no respect for you son’s own adult decision.
The fact that they know it is possible when enlisting doesn't mean we should carelessly gamble with their lives and our national treasure just to play whack-a-mole in the sandboxs on Israel's behalf.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:32 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Make a deal with the cartels. Transport a large group of their members there and let em.loose. with no plan to bring em home. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:33 pm to TulsaSooner78
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We've given the Iranian civilians a huge opportunity to overthrow the regime without having to put US boots on the ground
No we haven't, and airstrikes alone were never ever going to do that. There are millions and millions of Iranians that support the current regime--and they include the military, IRGC, police, etc.
Random unarmed civilians and the Kurds have little shot.
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we've set whatever nuclear program they may have had back by multiple decades.
We obliterated it completely last year (right?), so I don't know why the redundancy is necessary. Also, no, it will not take them decades to import more Chinese and Russian equipment to start right back on the path.
Ending Iran (or any nations) nuclear program requires a political solution, not a military one. Otherwise they will just keep rebuilding and trying again.
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:34 pm to sidewalkside
Let the Israelis put boots on the ground. I wouldn't mind if we had some specialty support, but the burden should be on them since they are the main beneficiaries.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:39 pm to Indefatigable
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The fact that they know it is possible when enlisting doesn't mean we should carelessly gamble with their lives and our national treasure just to play whack-a-mole in the sandboxs on Israel's behalf.
Great. You have a single opinion on the matter. Not everyone views the entire situation and issue the same as you and the few other vocal conversants in this thread. Yet I get the sense that you all believe otherwise.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:43 pm to davyjones
quote:you’re the one that brought up this bizarre hypothetical not me
Maybe he can bring a note that says per his daddy he’s not allowed to participate in any operations that involve political undertones with which daddy doesn’t agree.
my whole point which seem incapable of grasping is men can sign up to defend America without wanting to fight wars for Israel. Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:44 pm to davyjones
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You have a single opinion on the matter. Not everyone views the entire situation and issue the same as you and the few other vocal conversants in this thread. Yet I get the sense that you all believe otherwise.
All you keep doing is saying that there are multiple opinions. No shite, idiot.
If there weren't people who think wasting huge sums of money and risking American lives playing around in Iran for no long term benefit is a good idea, we wouldn't even be having a conversation about it.
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:51 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
So I brought up this “bizarre” hypothetical, which you felt obliged to point out, to which you then happily and eagerly participated by posting back and forth? I guess that makes you bizarre yourself!
Look, can we not all just agree to disagree, and acknowledge that there are legitimate differences in viewpoints on this thing, and perhaps acknowledge that yall’s kids probably aren’t military material anyway??
Look, can we not all just agree to disagree, and acknowledge that there are legitimate differences in viewpoints on this thing, and perhaps acknowledge that yall’s kids probably aren’t military material anyway??
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:53 pm to Indefatigable
Ok, well then I feel obliged to notify you that nobody gives a flying frick about what you think. Literally. Of course the same cannot be said for myself. Since we’re being brutally honest here.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:54 pm to davyjones
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Oh, I see. Y’all believe our brave sons and daughters (of which I assume you and the others have no dog in that hunt anyway?) are not smart enough to have known what they were getting into and the various “hotspots” around the world where they could realistically potentially go to, and need us keyboard warriors to declare what’s what and what’s best for them?
Ah ok. So "frick those soldiers, they made their choice" is the American way now. Got it.
ALL HAIL IS-RI-EL!
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 3/20/26 at 12:55 pm to TigerFanatic99
Embarrassing.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 1:03 pm to Indefatigable
quote:If there are opposing sides within the country for a possible civil war then surely our strikes are not insignificant for one side. If that side isn't large enough or doesn't have the conviction, then that's still on them and I don't care to do anything more than what we've done. So, the point for me, is moot. Have a civil war, don't have a civil war -- I'm good.
There are millions and millions of Iranians that support the current regime--and they include the military, IRGC, police, etc.
quote:Unless you're in the inner circle then I wouldn't expect you to know if there was a reason making it necessary. Maybe new intel, but the administration won't tell you they missed something. Maybe it was something new that needed to be addressed.
I don't know why the redundancy is necessary.
quote:If there was a civil war that put peace-makers in charge then that's a political solution achieving a great goal. Maybe we thought it was possible and was worth the effort. Even if that doesn't happen and they keep rebuilding then we'll just keep knocking their dicks in the dirt.
Ending Iran (or any nations) nuclear program requires a political solution, not a military one. Otherwise they will just keep rebuilding and trying again.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 1:05 pm to TulsaSooner78
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We've given the Iranian civilians a huge opportunity to overthrow the regime without having to put US boots on the ground. If they don't act, then that is on them. We tried.
Unfortunately they don’t love when you kill their religious leader. Creates a very different reaction.
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