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Bill to end lawless seizure of Americans property

Posted on 3/25/23 at 4:28 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15046 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 4:28 am
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Bipartisan legislation could halt the federal government’s decades-long practice of seizing billions of dollars from Americans who never face criminal charges.

"The lawless seizure and ‘forfeiture’ of people’s private property by police officers is becoming standard operating procedure in many parts of the country," Rep. Jamie Raskin, a Democrat who co-sponsored the bill, said in a statement. "We want to restore the presumption of innocence, fair judicial process, and the opportunity to be heard."

Raskin and Republican Rep. Tim Walberg reintroduced a bill on March 9 that would overhaul federal civil asset forfeiture laws, which allow the government to seize and sometimes keep property from citizens who, in many instances, have never been charged with a crime. If passed, the legislation would force agencies to make a case for seizure to a judge, remove financial incentives around forfeiture and raise the level of proof needed to allow for seizures.
Posted by TOPAL
Member since Mar 2010
4523 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 4:30 am to
Raskin…presumption of innocence
Except if it’s Trump or his team
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
32880 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 4:35 am to
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If passed, the legislation would force agencies to make a case for seizure to a judge, remove financial incentives around forfeiture and raise the level of proof needed to allow for seizures.


There definitely needs to be more protections against civil asset forfeiture.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11092 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:22 am to
This is only being floated because the DNC knows it might lose in 2024, and if so, a new administration could rightfully go after a lot of people tied to the DNC that have been engaged in a lot of shenanigans. Dems do nothing unless it's for self-preservation or accumulation of more power.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48902 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:40 am to
If Raskin loved his own son as much as he hated Trump he might still be alive.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17474 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:52 am to
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civil asset forfeiture.

Not nitpicking, but this term is too smooth and needs to be rebranded as government theft of property. There's no "forfeiting" possible, because that implies that someone grants the loss due to failure on their part. Theft is theft.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8373 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:58 am to
This is a step in the right direction. It needs to completely end. Prove the money/property was/is being used in court, after a guilty verdict.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17148 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:24 am to
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civil asset forfeiture.

Not nitpicking, but this term is too smooth and needs to be rebranded as government theft of property. There's no "forfeiting" possible, because that implies that someone grants the loss due to failure on their part. Theft is theft
And today's CAF is a direct result of Ronnie Raygun's militarism of the police and crack down on crime in the 80's. So while Raygun brought us a lot of good stuff he really screwed Americans over on CAF and Policing.

The lesson to learn from this history is to be ever vigilant of our government when the impending pendulum swing back against our current crime wave occurs. Do NOT let another CAF or ramp up of militarism in the policing occur again, just like illegal alien amnesty should not occur again, no matter what.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51575 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:00 am to
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If passed, the legislation would force agencies to make a case for seizure to a judge, remove financial incentives around forfeiture and raise the level of proof needed to allow for seizures.


It also needs to expedite CAF cases against police agencies as well as encompass recompense for agency abuses. Just saying "don't do that" isn't enough for something like this, there also needs to be an "or else, this" component to give it real teeth.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19457 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:12 pm to
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This is a step in the right direction. It needs to completely end. Prove the money/property was/is being used in court, after a guilty verdict.


Anything less than that is simply grand larceny by government.
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
7748 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:15 pm to
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This is a step in the right direction. It needs to completely end. Prove the money/property was/is being used in court, after a guilty verdict.


Agreed. Law enforcement has been way too bold in this regard and should be knocked down a few pegs.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50412 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:18 pm to
Fully support.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:23 pm to
This would make a good duo of laws if we reintroduce the ban on ESG as in the bill Pedo Joe stepped out of the shower with his daughter long enough to veto last week

Bring it back

BAN ESG NOW

Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29999 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:54 pm to
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Bipartisan legislation could halt the federal government’s decades-long practice of seizing billions of dollars from Americans who never face criminal charges.



ya, color me very skeptical that they will ever vote themselves to have less taxpayer money they can steal and waste
Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
2285 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 1:01 pm to
So the authorities arrive at your door because your neighbor doesn't like you and they find some reason to search your property for "contraband" and in so doing they find that you have your passport and several thousand dollars of "contingency" money locked in your gun safe.
On the assumption that you are a criminals and are preparing to flee the country, they confiscate the safe and all contents as well as anything else that they deem to be salable to fund their retirement funds.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
8884 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 1:08 pm to
It's a shite bill, as long as you have to pay property taxes, you never own your property.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27480 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 2:27 pm to
This will put some Sherriff Offices into budget crunches.
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