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re: Bill Kristol: “America First Is Dead: We Are All Globalists Now..”

Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:31 pm to
All over Timmy Walz the next Pres!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:32 pm to
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All over Timmy Walz the next Pres!

Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:32 pm to
America first is dead

Drumpf has lost his base!
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:36 pm to
What was the first "We are all ____ now"?

Some woman wrote "We are all Israelis now" after 9/11

Newsweek I think did a cover story saying "We are all socialists now", not sure when
Posted by Narax
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:10 pm to
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It's Globalism that has been the exception

Americanism is not globalism or isolationism.

Its America first, and it's what Trump is selling.

Its what the vast majority of Americans have voted for since 1932.

Democrats or Republicans, they won via Americanism.

Until Carter.

But Reagan brought it back.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:17 pm to
MAGA is done. 100%.

Neocons are liberals and Trump has sided with the liberals. If you doubt this then you need to read some history and understand they left the democrat party in the late 1960s and joined the Republican party.

They are the republican side of the uniparty/swamp/establishment, and they are fine with the democrats winning the next election. It's by design that they pass it back and forth. Obama was a neocon, look at his policies. The Clintons were neocons. Look at their actions, not their rhetoric.

The democrats will win the next election(and continue the same stuff of course), and the GOP will be in shambles for the next 12 years minimum.

All because you fricks got fear mongered by the liberal RINOs. Congrats, you're all the same kind of people who wear masks alone in your cars out of fear, you just needed a different stimuli.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:18 pm to
Republicans are done for years over a strike!!
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:20 pm to
You don’t have the first clue lol you actually think it’s going to fracture conservatives using air strikes against Iran. That is how utterly clueless you are
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:21 pm to
We knocked out facilities, according to Iran there were no people there and you guys are acting like Omaha Beach happened. It’s so funny to watch the Trump haters declare MAGA to be dead for the 100th time.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:23 pm to
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MAGA is done. 100%.

I don't think anyone knows what "MAGA" is at this point, but in terms of Reps vs. Dems - the disagreement over this strike, and even the weak work on the budget and the deportation front, none of it will magically make the Left less retarded or less bent on burning the country down. Republicans, as weak as they're proving to be, are still lightyears better than Democrats.
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:25 pm to
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ill Kristol: “America First Is Dead: ”


I couldn't agree more. Why is Trump helping Iran? This is exactly what Iran wanted.

Sarc
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:28 pm to
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Republicans are done for years over a strike!!


No, he has implemented multiple neocon/uniparty/swamp things since coming into office.

The database things that expands spying on Americans. Neocon advancement.

Wanted to allow some illegals to say if they worked on farms, but backtracked because of push back. Neocons want this.

And his foreign policy is full on neocon at this point as well.

Neocons do not win elections from the republican side. They have to pretend to be conservatives to get elected, then they expose themselves, then the party suffers for 8 years minimum because the neocons will continue to make this shite the republican platform as long as you let them.

Trump got elected because he ran on not being that shite..because again - neocons do not win elections.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:30 pm to
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Drumpf has lost his base!


Aw man, how will he ever get re-elected?


fricking idiot.
This post was edited on 6/21/25 at 11:31 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:34 pm to
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I don't think anyone knows what "MAGA" is at this point, but in terms of Reps vs. Dems - the disagreement over this strike, and even the weak work on the budget and the deportation front, none of it will magically make the Left less retarded or less bent on burning the country down. Republicans, as weak as they're proving to be, are still lightyears better than Democrats.


It was a coalition of people and that coalition has been fractured.

Neocons are not republicans, they are liberals who pretend to be republican. And when they rule over the GOP, there are no options available for true conservatives. Some will vote libertarian/3rd party, some will pinch their nose and vote republican anyway, and some won't vote at all. But the elections will generally be lost until true conservative values are allowed - which again the neocons will try to suppress.

The best way to make Democrats look right is to be wrong. The media will change it's narratives just like always.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:36 pm to
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We knocked out facilities, according to Iran there were no people there and you guys are acting like Omaha Beach happened. It’s so funny to watch the Trump haters declare MAGA to be dead for the 100th time.


I'm not a Trump hater, I'm a neocon hater.

As for your cheers of success hours later.


Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:37 pm to
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Trump got elected because he ran on not being that shite..because again - neocons do not win elections.

Who was the last isolationist to win?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:37 pm to
If you were honest you wouldn’t need to build a straw man
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:43 pm to
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If you were honest you wouldn’t need to build a straw man


I didn't build a strawman, I gave you a historical example of why it's dumb to pretend like things are over when they are just getting started.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:45 pm to
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Who was the last isolationist to win?


You don't know what the word even means.

According to you thinking it only means starting wars around the world, that would be Trump. Bush Jr also ran on that platform in 2000, as did Reagan.

You know, because that's the basic conservative platform in case you weren't aware.
This post was edited on 6/21/25 at 11:46 pm
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
63867 posts
Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:48 pm to
I think he's wrong, maybe he's right

Either way, he can absolutely 1000%, go frick himself
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