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Biggest split in modern Orthodox history
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:09 pm
Biggest split in modern Orthodox history: Russian Orthodox Church breaks ties with Constantinople.
Is anyone following this or have an opinion? It appears the US State Department issued a statement granting support of this just weeks before.
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Is anyone following this or have an opinion? It appears the US State Department issued a statement granting support of this just weeks before.
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A schism is brewing among Orthodox Christians.
Leaders within the Constantinople Patriarchate, historically the most influential center of the global Orthodox Church, recently took several administrative steps toward granting ecclesiastical independence — also known as autocephaly — to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which is currently under the authority of the Russian Orthodox Church. The move comes after years of increasing tension in Ukraine over the status of its church in the wake of Russia’s occupation of Crimea.
In response, the Russian Orthodox Church announced on Monday following a synod, or gathering of bishops, in Minsk that it would sever all ties with Constantinople. That move would prevent the Russian Orthodox faithful from taking part in any sacraments, such as communion or baptism, at any churches under the aegis of the Constantinople Patriarchate worldwide.
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:11 pm to OleWar
The Body of Christ divides once again. The Great Schism of 1053 and the Protestant Reformation of 1517 are without a doubt Satan's greatest victories. This one is obviously not as great but it's a big one to be sure.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:13 pm to RollTide1987
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The Great Schism of 1053 and the Protestant Reformation of 1517 are without a doubt Satan's greatest victories
The human institution, administration, and perversion of religion is Satan's greatest victory.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:14 pm to OleWar
Russians just can't stand having an independent Ukraine it seems.
We don't even treat Canada that badly. Though maybe we should?
We don't even treat Canada that badly. Though maybe we should?
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:15 pm to OleWar
Goes back to the coup of Ukraine in 2014 by far right nationalists. Ukraine is a dumpster fire right now and we (by that I mean Obama and Hillary Clinton) were a big part of it.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:16 pm to RollTide1987
Give me a break. The break away from government controlled and corrupt Churches should be celebrated.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:17 pm to RollTide1987
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are without a doubt Satan's greatest victories.
What a laughable and ignorant statement. Catholics apparently think they have more sovereignty than their Creator
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:19 pm to I B Freeman
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Give me a break. The break away from government controlled and corrupt Churches should be celebrated
Except that is not what is happening. The Ukraine is arguable exerting more political influence than Moscow over these churches.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:26 pm to Seldom Seen
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Russians just can't stand having and independent Ukraine it seems.
Blue is the Party of Regions, the Pro-Russian party.
The Western region was once part of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. Western Ukraine was split from the Russian orbit during that period, and continues to look Westward.
The split in the church is the result of politicking in the West Ukraine, and it reflects their desire for independence from Russia.
I suspect this move is unpopular in the blue region.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:26 pm to OleWar
Really not much to see here. This is Ukrainian nationalists supported by Soros/Deep State types attempting to create a wedge issue. Bart is going to end up isolated in Constantinople with his 40,000 parishoners and Jesus' original church will continue on as it always has.
Perhaps he will take his people and become Roman Catholic as he and Comrade Frank seem to be on particularly friendly terms.
Frank the Hippie Pope and Bart the Patriarch Sing Love Songs
LINK
The truth:
"Out of the total of fifteen Local (National) Orthodox Churches, twelve have already expressed unequivocal support for the UOC and Metropolitan Onufry. The American, Romanian, and Albanian Churches have not diplomatically indicated their position on this issue so far."
Patriarch Theophilos of Jerusalem: “We condemn in the most categorical terms those who are committing actions directed against the parishes of the canonical Orthodox Church in the Ukraine. Not in vain do the holy fathers remind us that the violation of the Church’s unity is the gravest sin.
Patriarch Theodoros II of Alexandria and All Africa: "If the schismatic Denisenko [the self-proclaimed “patriarch” of the schismatic “Kiev Patriarchate”—O.C.] wants to return to the bosom of the Church, then he must turn to where he left from. That which has fallen away must return to where it fell from. God is merciful to those who repent, and the Church forgives and receives in its motherly embrace all who repent.”
Patriarch John X of Antioch and All the East: “The Antiochian Church stands together with the Russian Church, speaking against the Church schism in Ukraine.”
Patriarch Ilya of Georgia: “His Beatitude disagrees with the initiative of the Ecumenical Patriarchate concerning Ukraine, as he recognizes only the legitimate Church headed by Metropolitan Onuphry.”
Holy Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church: “The Assembly expresses full solidarity, in co-suffering brotherly love, with the martyred sister Church in Ukraine, exposed to the harshest persecution by the current regime in Kiev.”
Holy Synod of the Polish Orthodox Church: “We express the clear position of the Polish Orthodox Church, namely that the ecclesiastical life of the canonical Orthodox Church should be based on the principles of dogma and the holy canons of the Orthodox Church. Violation of this principle leads to chaos in the life of the Church. “There are certain schismatic groups in Ukraine which must first repent and return to the canonical Church. Only then can we discuss the issue of providing autocephaly. “We must not be led by the political climate in questions of dogma and the canons.”
Metropolitan Rostislav of the Czech Lands and Slovakia: “A schism, caused by man’s egotism, can be healed only through repentance and returning to the Church,” the primate noted. “The new autocephaly must be the result of a consensus.”
Patriarch Neofit of Bulgaria: I have always had a very good relationship with His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry [head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church—MP.—O.C.]. We know that he loves the Ukrainian people and humbly labors for the good of Ukraine and all Orthodox Christians. We will be praying that the Lord grant him health and strength to successfully bear the obedience he was given by the Lord, and which he bears with dignity.”
Metropolitan George of Kitros, Katerini, and Platamon (Church of Greece): “The Greek Orthodox Church and all other Orthodox Churches of the world recognize only one canonical Church of Ukraine—the Ukrainian Orthodox Church headed by His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry.”
Metropolitan Athanasios of Limassol (Church of Cyprus): “First and foremost, this question should be resolved by the Patriarch of Moscow, in whose jurisdiction the Ukrainian Church is located, then—the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church, and then all the Orthodox Churches under the chairmanship of the Ecumenical Patriarchate,”
Met. Anathasios stated. “But first of all, the first word is for the Mother Church of the Ukrainian Church, which is the Moscow Patriarchate. To it belongs the first word in this process. “What relationship does the Ecumenical Church have to the Philaret schism in Ukraine? How can it be overcome? We desire that our brothers who are in schism would return to the Church under the leadership of Metropolitan Onuphry—it is the sole canonical Church in Ukraine, having communion with the Moscow Patriarchate, and with all canonical Orthodox Churches… We pray for this.”
https://orthochristian.com/115911.html
Perhaps he will take his people and become Roman Catholic as he and Comrade Frank seem to be on particularly friendly terms.
Frank the Hippie Pope and Bart the Patriarch Sing Love Songs
LINK
The truth:
"Out of the total of fifteen Local (National) Orthodox Churches, twelve have already expressed unequivocal support for the UOC and Metropolitan Onufry. The American, Romanian, and Albanian Churches have not diplomatically indicated their position on this issue so far."
Patriarch Theophilos of Jerusalem: “We condemn in the most categorical terms those who are committing actions directed against the parishes of the canonical Orthodox Church in the Ukraine. Not in vain do the holy fathers remind us that the violation of the Church’s unity is the gravest sin.
Patriarch Theodoros II of Alexandria and All Africa: "If the schismatic Denisenko [the self-proclaimed “patriarch” of the schismatic “Kiev Patriarchate”—O.C.] wants to return to the bosom of the Church, then he must turn to where he left from. That which has fallen away must return to where it fell from. God is merciful to those who repent, and the Church forgives and receives in its motherly embrace all who repent.”
Patriarch John X of Antioch and All the East: “The Antiochian Church stands together with the Russian Church, speaking against the Church schism in Ukraine.”
Patriarch Ilya of Georgia: “His Beatitude disagrees with the initiative of the Ecumenical Patriarchate concerning Ukraine, as he recognizes only the legitimate Church headed by Metropolitan Onuphry.”
Holy Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church: “The Assembly expresses full solidarity, in co-suffering brotherly love, with the martyred sister Church in Ukraine, exposed to the harshest persecution by the current regime in Kiev.”
Holy Synod of the Polish Orthodox Church: “We express the clear position of the Polish Orthodox Church, namely that the ecclesiastical life of the canonical Orthodox Church should be based on the principles of dogma and the holy canons of the Orthodox Church. Violation of this principle leads to chaos in the life of the Church. “There are certain schismatic groups in Ukraine which must first repent and return to the canonical Church. Only then can we discuss the issue of providing autocephaly. “We must not be led by the political climate in questions of dogma and the canons.”
Metropolitan Rostislav of the Czech Lands and Slovakia: “A schism, caused by man’s egotism, can be healed only through repentance and returning to the Church,” the primate noted. “The new autocephaly must be the result of a consensus.”
Patriarch Neofit of Bulgaria: I have always had a very good relationship with His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry [head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church—MP.—O.C.]. We know that he loves the Ukrainian people and humbly labors for the good of Ukraine and all Orthodox Christians. We will be praying that the Lord grant him health and strength to successfully bear the obedience he was given by the Lord, and which he bears with dignity.”
Metropolitan George of Kitros, Katerini, and Platamon (Church of Greece): “The Greek Orthodox Church and all other Orthodox Churches of the world recognize only one canonical Church of Ukraine—the Ukrainian Orthodox Church headed by His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry.”
Metropolitan Athanasios of Limassol (Church of Cyprus): “First and foremost, this question should be resolved by the Patriarch of Moscow, in whose jurisdiction the Ukrainian Church is located, then—the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church, and then all the Orthodox Churches under the chairmanship of the Ecumenical Patriarchate,”
Met. Anathasios stated. “But first of all, the first word is for the Mother Church of the Ukrainian Church, which is the Moscow Patriarchate. To it belongs the first word in this process. “What relationship does the Ecumenical Church have to the Philaret schism in Ukraine? How can it be overcome? We desire that our brothers who are in schism would return to the Church under the leadership of Metropolitan Onuphry—it is the sole canonical Church in Ukraine, having communion with the Moscow Patriarchate, and with all canonical Orthodox Churches… We pray for this.”
https://orthochristian.com/115911.html
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:30 pm to RollTide1987
Once you get your priests in line, get back with me on my thankfulness for the Protestants of 1517
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:34 pm to RobbBobb
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Once you get your priests in line, get back with me on my thankfulness for the Protestants of 1517
Bunch of fricking quitters
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:36 pm to RobbBobb
Those terrible heretical Protestants not believing in greasing the palms of the Catholic Church with money to absolve sins 
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:38 pm to Boatshoes
So is your contention Patriarch Bartholomew is bought?
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:39 pm to bamafan1001
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What a laughable and ignorant statement.
Yes.
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Catholics apparently think they have more sovereignty than their Creator
Oh, wait -- no.
It's funny because, you know, Satan.
People think Satan is real? That's... different.
Allow me to summon the beast.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:45 pm to OleWar
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So is your contention Patriarch Bartholomew is bought?
Well, let's say "compromised". Whether that compromise takes the form of dirt or dollars is above my pay grade.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:50 pm to RobbBobb
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Once you get your priests in line, get back with me on my thankfulness for the Protestants of 1517
When you are descending into the fires of Hell, you won't be thanking the Protestants of 1517. They have damned your soul for eternity and it's not even your fault. There is still time and I would encourage you to use that time to embrace the one, true Church rather than remain a heretic and apostate.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 12:53 pm to OleWar
To many this will be a non story but I think this is a major historical moment whether your a believer or not.
Its sad that government run education does not teach religious history in any depth at all.
Its sad that government run education does not teach religious history in any depth at all.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 1:07 pm to PickupAutist
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Those terrible heretical Protestants not believing in greasing the palms of the Catholic Church with money to absolve sins
I am converting to Orthodoxy from Catholicism so I'm no Catholic apologist but that's simply false. The Catholic Church has never held such a doctrine.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 1:19 pm to Boatshoes
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Well, let's say "compromised". Whether that compromise takes the form of dirt or dollars is above my pay grade.
This is my feeling as well since he took an absolutely opposite stance on the Macedonian Church, unless his Greek sensibilities came into play there.
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