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re: Biggest split in modern Orthodox history
Posted on 10/21/18 at 1:44 pm to AUveritas
Posted on 10/21/18 at 1:44 pm to AUveritas
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I am converting to Orthodoxy from Catholicism
There's a really excellent book I'm currently reading, Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith by Peter Gilquist.
He was a former Campus Crusade for Christ guy.
You might find the materials at Ancient Faith Radio helpful as well...
LINK
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 1:51 pm
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 2:09 pm to RollTide1987
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The Body of Christ divides once again. The Great Schism of 1053 and the Protestant Reformation of 1517 are without a doubt Satan's greatest victories. This one is obviously not as great but it's a big one to be sure.
What a bunch of mumbo jumbo bullshite.
You really need to brush-up on your history.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 2:12 pm to RollTide1987
Wrong. The Catholic Church was the bad guys. Jesus was a baptist
Posted on 10/21/18 at 2:13 pm to OleWar
quote:that’s weird. If there is no difference of theology, the sacraments should be valid. Even the Catholic Church allows its followers to attend and partake in Orthodox mass and sacraments if a Catholic Church is not close by.
That move would prevent the Russian Orthodox faithful from taking part in any sacraments, such as communion or baptism, at any churches under the aegis of the Constantinople Patriarchate worldwide.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 2:20 pm to crazycubes
I have never heard Catholics could receive sacraments of Orthodox, participate in liturgy, sure.
I think the decision on the part of the Russians was also ridiculous, it appears they have the support of all the other Patriarchs on their side as shown in another post.
I think the decision on the part of the Russians was also ridiculous, it appears they have the support of all the other Patriarchs on their side as shown in another post.
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 3:32 pm to AUveritas
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I am converting to Orthodoxy from Catholicism so I'm no Catholic apologist but that's simply false. The Catholic Church has never held such a doctrine.
You don’t need to be Catholic or religious at all to have heard of that. Most people who know basic history are aware about the abuse of “indulgences” in the Middle Ages.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 4:14 pm to PickupAutist
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You don’t need to be Catholic or religious at all to have heard of that. Most people who know basic history are aware about the abuse of “indulgences” in the Middle Ages.
Find a primary source from the Catholic Church that taught thr sale of indulgences. Just one. Abuse by a few priests is an indictment of Catholicism no more than Jimmy Swaggart or Robert Tilton is of Protestantism.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 7:57 pm to OleWar
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I have never heard Catholics could receive sacraments of Orthodox, participate in liturgy, sure
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From the Catholic standpoint, a member of the faithful who is unable to attend Mass because there is no Catholic celebration available, may, if he so wishes, attend and receive Communion at an Orthodox Divine Liturgy
LINK
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:24 pm to AUveritas
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Find a primary source from the Catholic Church that taught thr sale of indulgences.
Both the Council of Trent and Pope Paul VI supported indulgences as part of Catholic doctrine.
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Whereas the power of conferring Indulgences was granted by Christ to the Church; and she has, even in the most ancient times, used the said power, delivered unto her of God; the sacred holy Synod teaches, and enjoins, that the use of Indulgences, for the Christian people most salutary, and approved of by the authority of sacred Councils, is to be retained in the Church; and It condemns with anathema those who either assert, that they are useless ; or who deny that there is in the Church the power of granting them. (Trent, session 25, Decree on Indulgences).
LINK
The very first line of Pope Paul VI's Indulgentiarum Doctrina says:
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The doctrine and practice of indulgences which have been in force for many centuries in the Catholic Church have a solid foundation in divine revelation(1) which comes from the Apostles and "develops in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit,"
LINK
Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:31 pm to AUveritas
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I am converting to Orthodoxy from Catholicism so I'm no Catholic apologist but that's simply false.
Eh, the granting of indulgances by tithing was a fundamental issue brought up by Martin Luther.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:51 pm to RollTide1987
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When you are descending into the fires of Hell, you won't be thanking the Protestants of 1517.
Paul apparently was a liar according to Catholics. Apparently Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t enough, we can earn salvation
Posted on 10/22/18 at 9:25 am to RollTide1987
quote:what the heck is this? there isn't "one true church." protestants are heretics? why? protestants can't be saved? why?
When you are descending into the fires of Hell, you won't be thanking the Protestants of 1517. They have damned your soul for eternity and it's not even your fault. There is still time and I would encourage you to use that time to embrace the one, true Church rather than remain a heretic and apostate.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 9:29 am to AUveritas
quote:are you familiar with luther's trip to rome? do you know what simony and indulgences are? do you know why the reformation started or why it's called the reformation?
The Catholic Church has never held such a doctrine
Posted on 10/22/18 at 9:31 am to AUveritas
quote:that doesn't prove that it wasn't happening, wasn't widespread or wasn't justified within catholic doctrine
Find a primary source from the Catholic Church that taught thr sale of indulgences
quote:then why did the church fight the reformers? why didn't they agree with them and purge the wrongdoers?
Abuse by a few priests is an indictment of Catholicism no more than Jimmy Swaggart or Robert Tilton is of Protestantism
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:03 am to RollTide1987
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When you are descending into the fires of Hell, you won't be thanking the Protestants of 1517. They have damned your soul for eternity and it's not even your fault. There is still time and I would encourage you to use that time to embrace the one, true Church rather than remain a heretic and apostate.
Holy shite. I'm Catholic. You are cringeworthy. Please do not believe this guy speaks for any clear thinking Catholic.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 11:32 am to TenWheelsForJesus
I said selling indulgences. Luther's complaint was that a couple of priests were selling them.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 11:33 am to bfniii
The Pope had already condemned the practice before Luther rebelled. It was Luther's Sola doctrines condemned by the Church as they had never been tauhht in 1500 years.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 11:44 am to Nguyener
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The Great Schism of 1053
Not that bad. If you are Eastern Orthodox, you can still receive Communion in a Roman church and vice versa. Actually if you are Roman Catholic and you go to an Eastern Church you would find out the Eastern churches are still very much Old School. The Metropolitans in the East just don't see the Bishop of Rome as the full head of the church. He's an equal.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 5:15 pm to AUveritas
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Luther's complaint was that a couple of priests were selling them
wow. just admit you don't know history. luther was disgusted at how widespread and rampant the debauchery was among the roman priests. they had mistresses for crying out loud. luther was so infuriated, he went back home and started a continent wide rebellion and he wasn't the only person who had noticed how bad it was
Posted on 10/22/18 at 5:17 pm to AUveritas
quote:which doesn't invalidate the points i made
The Pope had already condemned the practice before Luther rebelled
quote:wrong. not only are they implied in scripture, they absolutely had been implicitly taught
It was Luther's Sola doctrines condemned by the Church as they had never been tauhht in 1500 years.
where are you getting your (mis)information?
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