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re: Biden stopped the executions of 37 men. Trump's DOJ wants to punish them
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:43 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:43 pm to 4cubbies
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Condescension noted
I mean you did say conclusive...
Thats quite condescending to any difference of view.
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there are no criminology classes offered at my university.
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I finished my coursework last year anyway.
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If you at least took a class in statistics that would cover all of this.
Still shocked there is a university that doesnt offer a criminal justice class...
Or are they just called something different like Law and Society.
Really?
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Cesare Beccaria
Yes, he had a number of ideas, not sure how he defends your point, he was an advocate without data.
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The period when the Supreme Court paused executions (early 1970s) did coincide with rising crime,
1967, but they had dropped before that.
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which researchers see as much more plausible drivers of homicide trends than execution policy alone.
You realize that was what got them published.
Left wing universities were committed to Left wing social theory.
Of course your researchers will attempt to claim this is disproven.
These people are and were advocates, trying to find an alternative to a straight trend line.
Yes thats the secret of Statistics, you can make anything statistically significant or not significant by just playing with the numbers, looking to slice data a little differently.
But remember above all else,
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THAT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BOTH REDUCES THE CERTAINTY OF MURDERERS BEING CONVICTED FOR THEIR CRIMES, AND INCREASES THE PROSPECT THAT PLEA BARGAINING WILL CAUSE PERSONS TO BE CONVICTED OF MURDERS THEY DID NOT COMMIT. THERE IS EVEN EVIDENCE THAT SOME PERSONS ARE PROMPTED TO KILL WHEN EXECUTIONS ARE PUBLICIZED.
The deterrence of the death penalty is undermined by people like yourself who will try to prevent these executions at all cost.
And even then your abstract admits.
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THUS THE DEATH PENALTY SEEMS TO PRODUCE LESS DETERRENCE THAN THE MORE CERTAIN PENALTY OF IMPRISONMENT.
It still produces a deterrence.
If more murderers were indeed executed for their crimes even your abstract agrees that it would reduce murders more than prison alone.
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 9:50 pm
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:44 pm to moneyg
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moneyg
I appreciate the engagement. I’ll circle back tomorrow.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:50 pm to 4cubbies
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I’ll circle back tomorrow.
She even talks like a crazy lib
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:52 pm to djsdawg
Because she is lol
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:07 pm to Jbird
So, big picture, the core basis for your liberal beliefs comes from your university years. I'm sure the majority, if not all, of your professors are rational, conservative, "fair minded" lecturers. And regarding your defense of a lack of fairmindedness here, the majority of responders here have all presented a wide variety of counter arguments. Yet you accept zero as being even possibly valid. Your opinions are 100% one sided. Yet you complain about said lack of fairmindedness. While never really answering a counter point beyond your repeated position of "after centuries of scientific data....."
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:08 pm to Keltic Tiger
That's 4dummies
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:18 pm to 4cubbies
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I’d love to see your sources.
I'd love to see YOUR sources.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:19 pm to 4cubbies
Why don’t you like talking with specificity? Not capable?
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:44 pm to 4cubbies
Prime example of why women weren’t allowed to vote or hold positions of authority.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:46 pm to 4cubbies
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This is just resource-intensive cruelty so a subset of people can delight in schadenfreude. That’s it. The government is spending more money to make already condemned people suffer more because it feels good to some voters.
This is where you libs get it wrong every time. You think that the purpose of a justice system is to 1) rehabilitate the offender, 2) segregate the offender for public safety, and 3) deter future offenders.
But the primary and most important aspect of every justice system since before there was such a thing as codified law is to punish the offender.
Yes, it makes voters feel good, so that we don't tear the entire system down and and hold neighborhood tribunals to lynch the accused like we did for most of human history.
Citizens are righteously outraged when they see the worst offenders breathing the air they stole from their innocent victims. If someone murdered my child and the state refused to kill them, then I'd do it myself. And I would gladly defend this post in front of a jury and would happily serve any sentence imposed.
Again, when we are talking about serious crime, the primary and most important part of any justice system is and has always been to punish the offender.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:02 pm to Keltic Tiger
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So, big picture, the core basis for your liberal beliefs comes from your university years
Absolutely not. My views were not formed in some university echo chamber.
I was a staunch Republican when I was at LSU. I was a Bobby Jindal fan girl. I bought into the standard Republican talking points. Hell, people here actually liked me back then!
I spent a few months living in Anchorage about 19 years ago, and that experience challenged some assumptions I held at the time. Seeing Alaska up close made it harder for me to reconcile certain political narratives with what I observed, especially regarding the treatment of Natives.
I saw real people living with the long-term consequences of policies they had no hand in shaping. That experience didn’t change my views overnight, but it pushed me to question whether the frameworks I relied on fully accounted for the human impact of policy, and it’s stayed with me ever since.
You’re free to disagree with my conclusions, and I don’t expect everyone to see things the way I do. But framing my position as “indoctrination” misses how I arrived here. My views come from watching how policy actually affects real people over time, and evaluating which narratives prevail against common sense (like this harsher sentences will decrease crime talking point) and which do not.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:08 pm to 4cubbies
What is the better option to incarceration?
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:10 pm to 4cubbies
Evil people should be removed from society, or even the planet.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:25 pm to Narax
Sometimes I really do wonder if you believe what you post or if you just want to argue with me. You’re one of like a handful of posters who will actually have real discussions with me so I hope you aren’t just trolling me half the time.
Maybe for undergrads? Idk. I’ve asked for classes specifically focused on the carceral system but no one would ever teach one and I only have dissertation hours left now so I gave up on trying to recruit a professor to teach one.
No it doesn’t! Ugh. You have to be trolling me.
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Still shocked there is a university that doesnt offer a criminal justice class...
Or are they just called something different like Law and Society.
Really?
Maybe for undergrads? Idk. I’ve asked for classes specifically focused on the carceral system but no one would ever teach one and I only have dissertation hours left now so I gave up on trying to recruit a professor to teach one.
quote:we can say this about everyone.
You realize that was what got them published.
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If more murderers were indeed executed for their crimes even your abstract agrees that it would reduce murders more than prison alone.
No it doesn’t! Ugh. You have to be trolling me.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:50 pm to 4cubbies
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I was a staunch Republican when I was at LSU.
You went full retard AFTER liberal college? shocker.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:52 pm to 4cubbies
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My views come from watching how policy actually affects real people over time
Innocents get murdered because of your favored dumbass liberal policies on immigration and incarceration, but you dont care about them one bit, so stop with this nonsense.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:24 am to 4cubbies
Cool
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:29 am to 4cubbies
I’m not cool with this. This sets a terrible precedent for future administrations.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 6:39 am to 4cubbies
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Sometimes I really do wonder if you believe what you post or if you just want to argue with me. You’re one of like a handful of posters who will actually have real discussions with me so I hope you aren’t just trolling me half the time.
I tell you when I am.
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Maybe for undergrads? Idk. I’ve asked for classes specifically focused on the carceral system but no one would ever teach one and I only have dissertation hours left now so I gave up on trying to recruit a professor to teach one.
There would be a problem with a general studies Masters level class thats not a Law Degree, would be stomping on another programs responsibilities.
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we can say this about everyone.
Not always but sometimes in the sciences as well.
I'm doing some work with two graduate students on work that will become their thesis.
Both are going to be very useful, but both are on topics that their university considers preferred.
However you do agree with my point, any scholar supporting the death penalty is signing his own career death warrant.
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No it doesn’t! Ugh. You have to be trolling me.
Read the words, slowly, without trying to defend your own point.
The authors point is that the death sentence is less sure, and (with some questionable assumptions) guaranteed imprisonment (which you hate) is a better deterrent.
There are very few studies that support your view of all incarceration is wrong.
Have you ever served on a jury?
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