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re: Biden stopped the executions of 37 men. Trump's DOJ wants to punish them

Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:04 pm to
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
18073 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:04 pm to
It would appear that your brain is damaged.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59271 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:04 pm to
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Recidivism rate for executed criminals is 0%


And? Are you suggesting the government executes everyone accused of crimes? Or convicted? What would that mean for our POTUS?
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14455 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:06 pm to
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And? Are you suggesting the government executes everyone accused of crimes? Or convicted? What would that mean for our POTUS?

You do realize that only certain crimes are eligible for the death penalty?
What death penalty eligible crimes has our POTUS been convicted of?
Posted by Nurbis
Member since May 2020
2118 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:06 pm to
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Life without parole isn’t mercy.



And yet, we see murderers like Bryan Khoberger take plea deals to get life without parole instead of the death penalty. Seems that murderers believe it to be mercy.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17626 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:07 pm to
Your hook is too shiny? Shouldn't you be attaching baseball cards to your spokes?
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17594 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:10 pm to
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NPR


Lololololololol
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59271 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:14 pm to
Right, we can only entertain hypotheticals when they strengthen the bloodthirsty “small-gov conservative” arguments.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:15 pm to
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We already know, conclusively, that harsher punishments do not deter crime.


What a ridiculous statement. Harsher than what? Of course harsher penalties deters crime, unless you are suggesting that murder should be a misdemeanor or carry no punitive value at all because the severity of punishment is irrelevant.

Is that what you are suggesting?

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87648 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:18 pm to
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Life without parole isn’t mercy.


You know what else it isn’t?

DEATH.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62748 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:20 pm to
So are you trying to find fault in what President Trump did?

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Trump's DOJ wants to punish them(.)


Isn't that what prisons are for?
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
141559 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:21 pm to
Instead of looking at the statistics in an Exel spreadsheet, how about you go learn about their victim(s)

Sometimes a sentence just needs to be punitive.
Posted by toratiger
susukino
Member since Aug 2008
3381 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:21 pm to
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To her credit, unlike a lot of liberal white women, cubbies has helped at least one homeless person. She puts her vagina where her mouth is I guess you could say.



Please explain..... I must have missed something.


Are there pictures?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59271 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:22 pm to
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unless you are suggesting that murder should be a misdemeanor or carry no punitive value at all because the severity of punishment is irrelevant.


Nope. No one is suggesting that. You’re right that very light penalties for serious crimes would be a disaster. Nobody here is saying murder should be a misdemeanor or that violent offenders should walk free with no punishment.

What I am saying, supported by decades of research, is that making punishment harsher beyond a baseline doesn’t reduce crime at the community level. What matters is the certainty of consequences (catching and convicting offenders), not just stacking on cruelty or extreme conditions that most people don’t ever notice.

People weight the chance of being apprehended and punished more than the abstract severity of some future sentence they might not even face.

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87648 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:22 pm to
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Are there pictures?


I don’t think that’s anything you’d want to see.
Posted by Crappieman
Member since Apr 2025
1992 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:23 pm to
Were the commutations by autopen? If so, challenge their legality.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:23 pm to
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making punishment harsher beyond a baseline


The baseline just got raised.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59271 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:27 pm to
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Instead of looking at the statistics in an Exel spreadsheet, how about you go learn about their victim(s)


What do you believe that would accomplish? How would that help anyone or improve anything?

I didn’t expect this smug sanctimony from you, who doesn’t seem to actually care about these victims anyway.


Invoking victims as a way to shut down analysis doesn’t honor them. It instrumentalizes them. Victims don’t benefit from policy built on rage and sanctimony instead of results.

Caring about victims means caring about what actually reduces the number of future victims. That requires evidence. If refusing to look at data made us safer, we’d have solved crime decades ago.

And spare me the insinuation that policy analysis equals indifference. I care enough about victims to want fewer of them, not just harsher suffering after the fact. Emotional catharsis for observers does nothing for the person who was already harmed.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
16979 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:27 pm to
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We already know, conclusively, that harsher punishments do not deter crime



This has to be a troll
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59271 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:28 pm to
You should google it.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83279 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:29 pm to
I'm just wondering why we should care about supposed treatment of the most vile and inhumane humans when they did not care about the inhumane suffering they unleashed on their victims.

When you see and hear shite like 'we're judged on how we treat our prisoners,' you know you're in for a futile argument.

When they help bail out random folks from prison for the hell of it, just to score brownie points from those communities, you know they're just doing shite just to do it.
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