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re: Biden blowing up the pipeline would do more to fight "globalism" than anything Trump
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:21 pm to Taxing Authority
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:21 pm to Taxing Authority
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Just the ones that the WEF has overtly pushed that just so happen to be adapted by multiple countries. I guess it's just one hell of a coincidence.
How many other international organizations and/or member states are promoting similar policies? Hell, how many other NGOs promoted policies well before the WEF? with environmental regs, a frick ton.
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I mean when you call yourself teh "World economic forum" I'm not seeing how calling them globalists is a stretch
It's an international group/think tank, so if you define "globalism" large enough, sure it is. So is the Boy Scouts.
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Again, you seem to be arguing that mislabeling by fringe groups is equivalent to the overt agenda of another group.
Again you're not using the right comparisons.
The Federalist Society has an overt agenda. It's called fasicst by some.
The WEF has an over agenda. It's called globalist by some.
tomato tomato
How evil you perceive each organization to be depends on which polar group you identify with.
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:22 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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One is a public justification for something he already did, one is a private justification for something people are accusing him of doing.
But the underlying "why" remains the same for both.
Both are utterly convoluted justifications. If you believe NATO is a reason for Putin to invade Ukraine, then it should be easy to believe Putin would create convoluted cover for other actions.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:He says as we debate the US's and NATO's role in a Russian invasion of a former member of the soviet republic.
JFK was president during the Cold War. The Cold War has been over for 30 years.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
Did it though? The West and Biden signaled that a "minor incursion" would not bring the West into the conflict. Right now, Russia has made a moderate incursion and Ukraine does not need foreign troops to defend it. This pipeline incident is different. If Biden ordered this, then I hope he fully considered what he was ordering. Obama said Joe was always wrong on foreign policy and I agree. We saw that in the Afghanistan withdraw and during the lead up to the conflict in Ukraine.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:24 pm to Taxing Authority
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Your arguments are vaguely similar
Only if you're looking at this thread with a very polarized lens.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:25 pm to Taxing Authority
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He says as we debate the US's and NATO's role in a Russian invasion of a former member of the soviet republic.
The international order and, hell, hegemonic status of the world, have drastically changed.
The world is more connected, open, and transparent. That's why standard of livings have advanced so much and conflict has decreased.
Mexico may have been a threat to side with the USSR in the Cold War, but it would never do it today. That's why the attempt at comparison is foolish.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:27 pm to Riverside
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The West and Biden signaled that a "minor incursion" would not bring the West into the conflict
We're not directly in the conflict, but we're funding the war and sending lots of weapons.
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If Biden ordered this, then I hope he fully considered what he was ordering.
If Biden ordered this, as the thread states, he destroyed globalism. The world is going to get a LOT more isolationist real fricking quick.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Only if you're looking at this thread with a very polarized lens.
Says the Biden apologist.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The US and EU being at odds with each other would literally rewrite the world order and unwind anything that could ever be imagined as "globalist".
What a moronic take. The pipeline from Norway now has no competition.
Now if Russia blows that up, you may have a point. As for now, I would suggest that the EU sees Biden positively.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:30 pm to squid_hunt
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Says the Biden apologist.
I don't know if I have ever defended Biden on this board. Like literally once
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:What a facile take. You can't have globalism without cooperation from the US. The strong dollar policy means no one can do much without the US playing along economically-and likely militarily as well.
Klaus Schwab and the WEF are either powerful European leaders of globalism or cucks to US domination. They can't be both.
Very similar scenario played out prior to WWII. Churchill lying to the US to "drag" us into the war.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't know if I have ever defended Biden on this board. Like literally once
Look, we've been reading you apologizing all day for Biden. I don't know why you can't admit he's capable of blowing up this pipeline just to make Putin angry.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:31 pm to jimmy the leg
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As for now, I would suggest that the EU sees Biden positively.
Does this include the presupposition that Biden ordered the pipeline to be blown up? The UE would still support him?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:33 pm to Taxing Authority
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You can't have globalism without cooperation from the US. The strong dollar policy means no one can do much without the US playing along economically-and likely militarily as well.
And globalism requires the US to subjugate itself, which is not rational.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And globalism requires the US to subjugate itself, which is not rational.
UN says hi.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:If that was a concern, they wouldn't have invaded Ukraine.
This gives them a reason other than response to the sanctions, so they don't look like a bad guy.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:35 pm to squid_hunt
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UN says hi.
Uh, we've benefited quite nicely since the UN was implemented. We became one of 2 world powers and now the only one left.
Plus, we literally tell the UN to frick off even when it vetoes our illegal invasion of sovereign nations.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:36 pm to Taxing Authority
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If that was a concern, they wouldn't have invaded Ukraine.
He did the same thing before he invaded Ukraine by creating a justification based around NATO expansion.
LITERALLY the same thing.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Blowing up that pipeline, should it be the US and allies, is the dumbest foreign policy move in my lifetime.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Hint: that's why it's often lumped together as "globalism".
How many other international organizations and/or member states are promoting similar policies? Hell, how many other NGOs promoted policies well before the WEF? with environmental regs, a frick ton.
quote:Kinda like defining anyone a Putin fan.
It's an international group/think tank, so if you define "globalism" large enough, sure it is. So is the Boy Scouts.
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The Federalist Society has an overt agenda. It's called fasicst by some.
The WEF has an over agenda. It's called globalist by some.
Why the hell would anyone think the "WORLD ECONOMIC forum" would have a globalist agenda? KrAzY tAlK. quote:Quite the project you have there.
How evil you perceive each organization to be depends on which polar group you identify with.
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