re: Biden: Afghan forces refuse to fight and die for their country

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And the government and military folded within two weeks. If the non-Taliban citizens of that country won’t fight to not be ruled by the Taliban then why should we do it for them?

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We shouldn't. That's never been the argument or complaint about what happened. In fact, even Trump supported getting out.

But you either fell hook, line, and sinker for the conflation of the issue, or you are just pushing the same propaganda.

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It’s victim shaming. They are basically telling rape survivors “your skirt was too short”.

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Explain to me how this happened in rational, reasonable steps and how we would do it different the next time to ensure success. We've been there 20 years and the Taliban are apparently fully mobilized and the so called people of Afghanistan are a bunch of useless turds.

Someone is lying. Either they've been lying about where our money has been going and what we've been doing, lying about what's going on right now, or lying about what we're trying to accomplish. You tell me.

Until we can assure it won't happen again, we need to stop trying. We don't have a plan, neither did we try very hard, to fix these clowns.

And quite frankly, their skirt is too damn short.

Biden lying as usual.

Why would Afghan soldiers be proud of their country, to the point of fighting and dying for it?

Their government, for over a decade...was a puppet of our country. They had no dignity. No pride.

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I don't understand why we're suddenly dying to get in somewhere even Republicans have been complaining about getting out of for at least 15 years.

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Who is dying to get there?

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And the government and military folded within two weeks. If the non-Taliban citizens of that country won’t fight to not be ruled by the Taliban then why should we do it for them?

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IDK, I lean more to the fact that more Afgan soldiers died per year on average that all the US and ally forces deaths combined for the 20 year period pointing to them being fine fighting for their country. What people refuse to understand is that the Taliban fight a style different than anyone else in the world. They are closer to Shermans "Total War" but then to an even bigger extreme. They tell the afgan soldiers that if they fight, they will murder their wives, childern, brother, sisters, parents, in the most brutal way possible.

On top of that the Taliban has huge numbers within the Afgan army. People don't realize this. When we kicked the Taliban out 20 years ago, thousands of them actually stayed and were absorbed in the army so that they didnt have to flea to pakistan and leave their families. They were just waiting for the Taliban to come back. So any legit Afgan soldier that wanted to fight against the Taliban also had to worry about the person fighting next to them, were they ultimately going to turn on them? This is not the same as fighting a foreign invader, that is easy to rally your troops around. These people were fighting their brothers, cousins, neighbors. They were told if you put down your arms, both you and your family will be spared. There are also reports of the Taliban paying these soldiers to surrender, the same soldiers that were due serious backpay while their President fled the country with "Too much cash to carry it all in the helicopter".

There were a lot of good, honest Afgan forces that were willing to fight the Taliban, but once the US and allies left they knew they didn't have shot. There was no leader there to hold the ranks and there was no one to expose the atrocities of the Taliban to the global stage. Its sad.

Like pretty much everyone else. I thought we should have left the country too, but this was clearly done with little preparation. The administration failed to do the hard work to set up a likely successful withdrawal. There are reports, and its fairly obvious, that they completely went against the military advisors, favoring the intel community which was split.

Good. Tired of financing everyone else’s defense while our country rots from the inside. Time for our “allies” to take care of themselves.

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He’s absolutely right.

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He is not "absolutely" right when 55K Afghans died fighting in this conflict.

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Hundreds of thousands of them died. No, he’s not right on that. He’s simply heartless

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Here’s your humanitarian virtue signal.

frick those people.
They want to be ruled this way.

Blame the trainer. A breakdown of every Training Doctrine our Military was built on.