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Best Twitter Take I've Seen on Ukraine

Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:42 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:42 pm
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Long thread about how I think the first 96 hours have gone, still very early/incomplete impressions. The initial Russian operation was premised on terrible assumptions about Ukraine’s ability & will to fight, and an unworkable concept of operations. Moscow badly miscalculated. 1/

The Russian operation was focused on getting to Kyiv quickly, forcing a surrender, and pushing a small number of units forward quickly in a way that avoided large engagements with UKR forces. They’ve been skirting major cities, going for key road junctions/smaller towns, etc. 2/

Why did Moscow choose this course of action? A few theories: they didn’t take Ukraine & its military seriously. They wanted to avoid attrition & devastation because of consequences for pol goals in Ukraine, costs of casualties, and they want to hide the costs from the public. 3/

It is also possible that Russian military planners genuinely wanted to avoid inflicting high levels of destruction given how unpopular this war was going to be at home. Most Russian soldiers are young & have little interest in fighting Ukrainians as an opponent. 4/


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What I’ve seen so far suggests that Russian troops were unaware they would be ordered to invade, and appear reluctant to prosecute this war. They don't see Ukrainians as adversaries and the military didn’t prepare them for this campaign. Outside of Chechens, morale seems low. 5/

This is an unworkable concept of operations. It seems they tried to win quickly and cheaply via 'thunder runs,' hoping to avoid the worst of sanctions & Western outrage. They’ve ended up in the worst of all worlds, trickling more resources into a failed strategy. 6/

However, this is barely a few days into the war. Ukraine has done remarkably well, but no analysts (except maybe in Moscow) expected Russia to defeat the largest country in Europe within 4 days, especially given UKR military capability. 7/

On the shambolic effort - Russian units are not really fighting as BTGs. They’re driving down roads in small detachments, pushing recon & VDV units forward. Tanks often by themselves and vice versa. Fires & enablers not used decisively, and often not used at all. 8/

Outside of the fighting NW of Kyiv we have a lot of smaller detachments, tanks, IFVs, often recon or VDV units pressing down roads & into cities. Small formations regularly outrunning logistics, without support, or letting support & artillery get ambushed behind them. 9/

Beyond large numbers of units strewn out in small detachments & checkpoints, we have the inverse situation as well. Long trains of Russian vehicles stuck in their own traffic jams, entering across the border. Air defenses not covering them, but stuck on the road with them. 10/


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As companies & platoons run ahead to seize points, logistics can’t keep up, and they’re not being effectively covered by support. Most of the fights I've seen are small skirmishes, especially on the outskirts of major cities. These may be intense, but not major battles. 11/

The Russian failure is driven by the fact that they’re attempting to conduct a full-scale invasion without the mil operation that it would require, thinking they can avoid most of the fighting. This has led to not only unworkable force employment, but lack of employment. /12

The truth is that large parts of the Russian military have yet to enter this war, with many of the capabilities still unused. Not to take away from UKR great mil performance, and resilience, but I see a lot of early judgments & conclusions that need moderation. 13/

In the first 4 days, Russian tactical aviation, except for some Su-25s, largely sat on the sidelines. So have most combat helicopters. They have hundreds of both deployed in the area. Russia's air force is missing in action, and largely unused. 14/

The Russian military sought to use cruise/ballistic missiles to destroy/suppress UKR air defense and target air bases. However, they're not flying CAPs, or offensive counter air, and only today have I spotted the first Su-34 bomber conducting strikes. /15

Except for heavy shelling around Kharkiv, use of fires have been limited compared to how the Russian mil typically operates. Sadly, I think this will change. Russian mil is an artillery army first, and it has used a fraction of its available fires in this war thus far. /16


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The bulk of the Russian military has yet to enter the fight. Outside Kharkiv, most of the 1st Guards Tank Army, and 20th Army, are just sitting there. They pushed a few BTGs a considerable distance past Sumy, but I think a lot of Russia's forces are still on the sidelines. /17

Another point, Russian losses are significant, and they have had a number of troops captured, but they have been advancing along some axes. In general, Ukrainians are posting evidence of their combat successes, but the opposite is less true, distorting the overall picture. 18/

Hence my next thought. In a desperate effort to keep the war hidden from the Russian public, framing this as a Donbas operation, Moscow has completely ceded the information environment to Ukraine, which has galvanized morale and support behind Kyiv. Another miscalculation. /19

I won't comment on the host of official claims made in this war so far, except that I think Kyiv is doing a great job shaping perceptions & the information environment. That said, folks should approach official claims critically in a time of war. /20

Looking at the military effort, I think Russian forces are getting some basics really wrong, but we're also learning things that are probably not true about the Russian military as well. They're not really fighting the way they train and organize for a major conventional war. /21

The assumptions have Grozny 1994 vibes, while some of the operations remind me of classic mil org driven blunders. Sending airborne air assault brigades or naval infantry in early on to 'do their thing,' even though it is unnecessary, risky, or impractical. /22

What's next? Russia's political leadership is still not conceding their plan's failure, trying to take Kyiv quickly. But we're seeing them open up greater use of fires, strikes, and air power. Sadly, I expect the worst is yet ahead, and this war could get a lot more ugly. /23
I was going to add, that I've seen and read other explainer threads out there about the Russian military failure. I differ with some of those explanations, they're generally not coming from Russia mil experts, and 4 days into war might be a bit early for conclusive statements.

Also, looking at day 5, seeing major adjustments. Russian military is suspending unsupported thunder runs, resupplying, and reorganizing. Ukraine's military has performed rly well, but I think we're going to see a different Russian approach moving forward.


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Posted by Navajo61490
Baton rouge
Member since Dec 2011
6717 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:47 pm to
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Communist USA
Member since Nov 2007
12114 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:52 pm to
Holy shite... ALL that was a damn tweet.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:52 pm to
I’m watching both sides of this trying to put both together to understand what’s happening. The Russian side seems relatively business as usual. The west is acting hysterical. It’s weird.
Posted by JustLivinTheDream
Member since Jan 2017
3496 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:54 pm to
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The west is acting hysterical


Their piggy bank got taken away
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:58 pm to
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Some of our principled posters refuse to click through to the twitter
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8064 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:06 pm to
Seems completely reasonable.

tl;dr -- Russia pushed too far, too fast and they're seeing some severe losses as a result.

Now that they have to retrench, they'll start to hit the Ukraine much harder.

Will Ukraine resist once the stuff really hits the fan? It looks like we'll see over the next 24-48 hours.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:08 pm to
Should have written a substack article and just posted a link. Twitter is not a good format for lengthy discussions.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
15937 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:10 pm to
One thing lost in all this is Russia was using green troops, with untested equipment (scale and mission) with untested command and control against a prepared country armed beyond what they can produce. And fighting a limited military action and so far they have hit their objectives.

So yes there will hiccups and supply issues. No military action ever goes on without them. But as they work out those kinks they become a better fighting force and more ready to face a NATO force.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:11 pm to
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Twitter is not a good format for lengthy discussions.


I agree mostly but I do like Twitter’s “get to the damn point” format.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
24876 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:16 pm to
It didn’t really occur to me that after Russia, Ukraine was the largest country in Europe. Larger than France.

Posted by Bearcat90
The Land
Member since Nov 2021
2955 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:16 pm to
My twitter response:

Its Decatur.

Stopped reading as soon as "supposed" twitter author mentioned "morale of the Chechen fighters" (who are secretive and silent/dark ops death squads that I'm sure nobody has even seen, let alone knows their "morale level".
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
24772 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:22 pm to
I fear we are looking at....


Posted by Paradiddler
in a groove
Member since Jul 2016
1316 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:22 pm to
Makes no sense to decide to invade & then half-arse it. This whole thing is a ridiculous shite show - death for nothing.
Posted by Gumbaw
Member since May 2018
560 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:28 pm to
No one knows what's going on over there, everyone is either speculating or believing what the media reports. I'm rooting for Russia simply bc Soros is for Ukraine. I will never side with that globalist POS.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:50 pm to
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I'm rooting for Russia simply bc Soros is for Ukraine


His buddy Klaus is also rooting for Zelensky...

Makes it hard to pull for the comedian.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13361 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:55 pm to
The author works for CNA which looks like a direct mouthpiece from the US govt. I dont understand how he knows all this sitting in his office in DC.

I do appreciate the post, I just dont believe he has this much knowledge of what is going on.
Posted by Big Gorilla
Bossier City
Member since Oct 2020
5454 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:03 pm to
Makes perfect sense not to level a country you want to not just occupy but make part of your country permanently. I think Russia expected Ukraine to lay down. Big miscalculation at this point.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

I’m watching both sides of this trying to put both together to understand what’s happening. The Russian side seems relatively business as usual. The west is acting hysterical. It’s weird.



No, calculated. The West knew Russia was planning to invade yet sat on their hands and watched the initial invasion. Why were sanctions not queued up and sprung after the first Russian crossed into Ukraine? The West was waiting to see if Ukraine would fold right out of the gate. If they did, the West would shake a finger at Russia, say tough luck Ukraine, and go on about business.

Russia's bungled invasion and Ukraine's stiffer spine forced the West to reconsider and start rolling out sanctions. I would like to believe that the West, out of the kindness of their hearts, were reaching out to protect a Christian nation (70% of Ukrainians identify as Christian). However, I think we are just seeing bureaucrats trying to figure out which way the wind is blowing. Ultimately, I think this will work out badly for everyone.
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