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re: Bernie Sanders says that "health care is a basic human right"
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:49 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:49 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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You can’t have a right to another persons labor.
This is a terrible argument. You and I both have rights outlined in the constitution that require labor from another person.
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Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:57 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Bernie Sanders says that "health care is a basic human right" by LSU alum wannabe
The line between human right and human decency is blurred here.
I am an ER nurse. Is what I do free or cheap? Nope. I do not want it to be, but as a decent human being with a skill set and equipment I could not turn people away. We are talking critical illnesses now.
Is eating a basic human right? Should restaurants be required to feed someone just because they decided to buy an iPhone instead of food?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:06 am to LSUconvert
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You and I both have rights outlined in the constitution that require labor from another person.
Such as?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:09 am to cwill
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Such as?
6th amendment, as an example.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:18 am to L.A.
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Bernie Sanders says that "health care is a basic human right"
Isn’t it in the Good and Plenty Clause?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:20 am to KingOrange
Anything in the constitution on HC insurance policies?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:21 am to L.A.
We have health care. Everyone can be medically treated. It is illegal for a hospital to turn someone away.
He is trying to say health insurance is a human right. It is not. It is no more a right than a vehicle, or a house. We have bums without houses.
No one owes anyone anything.
He is trying to say health insurance is a human right. It is not. It is no more a right than a vehicle, or a house. We have bums without houses.
No one owes anyone anything.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:27 am to LSUconvert
LSUconvert, let’s review something basic
Rights are things that exist BEFORE government (i.e in the state of nature). Men set up governments to protect these rights.
Rights are restrictions on what other people can do to you.
Rights are things that exist BEFORE government (i.e in the state of nature). Men set up governments to protect these rights.
Rights are restrictions on what other people can do to you.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:33 am to TideCPA
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It takes a special kind of moron to read the US Constitution and find an individual right to another individual’s services while simultaneously not seeing an individual’s right to bear arms.
The Left likes to claim that the 2nd amendment is limited, then if healthcare is a right, certainly it has its limits. Limits like if you can pay for it or not.
Like it or not, life is a survival of the fittest. Those that are financially fit have access to healthcare and those that aren’t, don’t. If one’s health is so basic a right, maybe saving for medical expenses should a higher priority than having an iPhone, big screen tv, or a car.
Does our healthcare industry need improvements? Sure. But in what world does it make since to destroy the healthcare that hundreds of millions have for a few million that don’t have any?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:36 am to LSUconvert
quote:Negative.
You and I both have rights outlined in the constitution that require labor from another person.
You may have thought that was the case when the idiotic forced gay wedding cake fiasco was in high bloom. But of course it got shot down.
Do you have the right to a car, regardless as to whether you pay for it?
Do you extend that premise to the right to force a Ferrari dealer to sell you a 488 at Ford Fiesta prices? If not, why not?
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 12:37 am
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:50 am to LSUconvert
quote:Which is comparable to ERISA, currently in place in US healthcare.
6th amendment, as an example.
When the 6th Amendment entitles one to access David Boies' services for free in defense of a civil suit, let us know. Because at that point you may have an apples-to-apples comparison to M4A. Until then, relative to your 6th Amendment claim, you do not.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 12:51 am
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:35 am to L.A.
This line clashes with evolution as we know it. You are not guaranteed anything. If you cannot take care of yourself you do not get to pass your genes along.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 6:35 am to L.A.
Healthcare, including medicine, should be free to all Naturalized United States citizens after the age of 65. Given the contribution a typical citizen has contributed by this time in their life, they've earned this small stipend from the government they've contributed their hard earned tax monies to for an entire working life.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 6:55 am to dawgfan24348
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Literally one of the dumbest things this board says. Nobody is going to force doctors to work.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:40 am to MexicanTiger97
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eating a basic human right? Should restaurants be required to feed someone just because they decided to buy an iPhone instead of food?
Apples and bowling balls.
The person I mention is shot or having a heart attack.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:52 am to L.A.
Healthcare is not a human right because its performed by other humans. In no circumstance ever do you have a “right” to a service performed by someone else
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:55 am to L.A.
Why do you have a right to police protection? Where does that come from?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:55 am to L.A.
I can definitely see how those who agree with Bernie Sanders will frame this. In the Declaration of Independence, it is stated that we are endowed by our Creator (meaning God) with the inalienable right to life, to liberty, and to the pursuit of happiness.
They would argue that healthcare falls under the inalienable right to life.
They would argue that healthcare falls under the inalienable right to life.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:56 am to L.A.
Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to police protection?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:58 am to WaydownSouth
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In no circumstance ever do you have a “right” to a service performed by someone else
Playing devil's advocate, does this mean that those men and women who can't afford an attorney don't have the right to have an attorney provided for them in a criminal trial?
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