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re: Beirut: Wedding photo shoot video captures blast
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:10 pm to Frank Black
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:10 pm to Frank Black
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The lived in Tripoli
Near the shore, perhaps?
Eh, I’ll see myself out
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:37 pm to Frank Black
That’s insane. Her gown actual flew back from the concussion!
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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Most of these groups have lived in the area since antiquity. There has not been widespread migration, and the area is de facto multicultural, mainly due to the landscape, and the tradition of Ottoman administration. Lebanon does have an insane amount of refugees from wars in the area, like other countries in the region, but most of them are either perpetually displaced and without papers, or eventually made citizens, though only a fraction reach that point.
The only thing we differ on is terminology. If you want to get right down to it, there is not very much difference between illigal refugees from wars in Lebanon, and illigal aliens from God knows whereever in this country. They are still causing the destruction of both countries (US and Lebanon). And yes, there have been quite a few muslems from mainly Syria for a long time. Most came to Lebanon to work and were legal, others came pretending to work. This was allowed to happen because the Syrian army occupied Lebanon from 1976 to 2005, but even before then there was a lot of fluidity around the borders of Lebanon and Syria. Heck, my father in law was a Palestinian Christian refugee back in the 1940s who first went to Jordan and then to Lebanon. He was a history professor at AUB, and a prince of a man btw, and legal too.
I met a man once who told me he was in the foreign service and served in the US consulate in Beirut back in the 1950s. He said he loved it so much that he considered quitting when he was assigned elsewhere, and stay and get married and let the chips fall where they may. He said Lebanon was heaven on earth back in those days.
What I have leaned is that everyone has their own version of the story when it comes to Lebanon. Very interesting, but maddening too.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:13 pm to Frank Black
She’s beautiful for sure but would look so much better without inch long hair sticking out of her eyes. I dunno why women stick those things on thinking they look good. Lipstick too, looks horrible in all cases.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:14 pm to Frank Black
That seems pretty standard for a middle east wedding
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:25 pm to SDTiger15
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Can I first say...nice rack!
She does have a bomb arse chest area.......
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:26 pm to dcrews
NB4 Corn-on-the-cob/picket fence
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:34 pm to Frank Black
Well, her wedding night is going to pale in comparison to that excitement.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:41 pm to CedarChest
You'd be surprised at how many people in the US have Lebanese Christian ancestry, they assimilated quickly despite coming from a very alien land to turn of the century America
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:07 pm to CedarChest
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The only thing we differ on is terminology.
With regard to demographics, it’s important to be precise. The Lebanese don’t officially count the refugees (nor does Jordan, Turkey, or Iran, the other countries in the region who have taken in millions of refugees from various conflicts, instead leaving that work to NGOs whose estimates can vary widely). Saad Hariri, in 2015 or so, started threatening to give Palestinians citizenship wholescale, which would have titled the demographics to the Sunni Muslims. The porous border issue is in fact the reason for the Sheba’s Farms issue, as if the border was not well-demarcated even after French administration, which attempted to sub-divide what was once Ottoman Syria.
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They are still causing the destruction of both countries
The more immediate prevailing cause for Lebanon’s problems is an insanely corrupt ruling class. The Hariri’s, the Maronite elite (including people like Bassil), Shia gangsters, and everyone in between have far more to do with Lebanon’s financial predicament than Syrians. For a time, gangsterism was such a problem that it even extended into the diaspora, like the Mhallami gang, one of many Lebanese gangs that operate in Germany.
Regardless, I’m extremely skeptical that Syrians ever outnumbered the Palestinian refugees before the SCW, and the trend line of refugees has moved downward, according to estimates, from a high of 2 million in 2014 to around 800k now. Given the relative weakness of Lebanon in state capacity, I expect it will continue to be dominated by its neighbors, as it could become a possible flashpoint for influence between the Gulf Arabs and the Turks, now that Syria is severely weakened.
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What I have leaned is that everyone has their own version of the story when it comes to Lebanon
Ascribing common causes for the West’s supposed decline, such as multiculturalism and immigration, to Lebanon is especially spurious, considering the genetic data we have suggests that upwards of 90% of the Lebanese population are directly descended from ancient Canaanite and Phoenician populations which lived in the region, and the Y-DNA haplogroup (J2) again suggests contact with sea-faring peoples of Asia Minor to Crete to Cyprus to the Levant. There are more prevailing reasons for Lebanon’s issues. The region, diverse as it was, was relatively peaceful under Turkish rule, though the breakdown of the millet system can be traced, in part, to the Mt. Lebanon Civil War, which spurred mostly Christian immigration to the West. The Israeli-Palestine situation has been devastating for the country, as it never had the appropriate infrastructure to deal with the mass migration of people over a short period of time. The implicit argument here is that Westphalian notions of statehood have been terrible for the ME, where the prevailing school of imperial administration lead to much longer periods of peace than we’ve seen in the Westphalian system.
Despite all this, Beirut is my favorite city in the MENA region.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:11 pm to Mithridates6
Yep, there is a Lebanese owned department store on the square in my hometown in Georgia, and every other surrounding town seems to have at least one Lebanese owned business. A lot of people to this day think they are Jews. Imagine that.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:13 pm to Bass Tiger
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he bride reminds me so much of my now deceased Lebanese bride. Unfortunately, the bomb blast is very familiar too. Beirut is a beautiful city, and Lebanon is a beautiful country. So very very sad. Damn, this hurts me to my very core.
Back in the 40s Lebanon was about 80 percent, Christian. Now, I'd be willing to bet is getting close to 80 percent muzzie. Let this be a lesson about so-called "multiculturalism" and unfettered immigration.
When I was growing up we had a Lebanese family that lived up the street, they ran a furniture store and had 10 children.....great family. All the kids were lookers and pretty good in school......kinda jealous...lol
Ex-wife was Lebanese
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The Israeli-Palestine situation has been devastating for the country, as it never had the appropriate infrastructure to deal with the mass migration of people over a short period of time. The implicit argument here is that Westphalian notions of statehood have been terrible for the ME, where the prevailing school of imperial administration lead to much longer periods of peace than we’ve seen in the Westphalian system.
Lebanon's problems largely stem from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Lebanon was economically prosperous and peaceful until it was swamped with waves of violent Palestinian refugees. With the backing of post-Islamic Revolution Iran, the Palestinians essentially plunged the entire country into Civil War, resulting in the demographics flipping from 70/30 Christian to 80/20 Muslim in like 30 years. The Palestinian Refugees destroyed that country, like they destroy everywhere they go in pursuit of their goal of annihilating Israel.
Since the 80's, it's only gotten worse. There were tons of refugees from the wars in Iraq and Syria which have poured in over the last 20 years to the point that Lebanese people are practically the minority in Lebanon. There are MORE REFUGEES THAN CITIZENS!
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:14 pm to Frank Black
Well I had the volume up too loud.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:08 am to crazy4lsu
]The implicit argument here is that Westphalian notions of statehood have been terrible for the ME, where the prevailing school of imperial administration lead to much longer periods of peace than we've seen in the Westphalian system.
I've thought for a while now that the concept of the "nation-state," while being the bedrock of western civilization, is not applicable to much of the rest of the world in a positive way. While "good fences make good neighbors" in western societies, they just cause friction elsewhere. Maybe, rather than trying to change society, maybe the would-be change agents should go live in another society they don't feel the urge to change. Just sayin'
I've thought for a while now that the concept of the "nation-state," while being the bedrock of western civilization, is not applicable to much of the rest of the world in a positive way. While "good fences make good neighbors" in western societies, they just cause friction elsewhere. Maybe, rather than trying to change society, maybe the would-be change agents should go live in another society they don't feel the urge to change. Just sayin'
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 12:15 am
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:28 am to Frank Black
Is it bad that my biggest takeaway from all the coverage, videos, and pics of this explosion is that Lebanese women are mostly incredibly attractive?
I've seen TONS throughout the pics. Has this been a known 'thing' for a long time that I just wasn't aware of, or what?
I used to have a blonde-haired Palestinian fiancee that was the most beautiful and exotic looking woman I've ever seen in person, but all the women in the coverage look about like her. Is it like a known thing that Lebanese women are hot?
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:50 am to RazorBroncs
Like I said, I was married to one, and she was/and still is the sexiest, most gorgeous woman I've ever known. She is also the only person that ever loved me without any preconditions. I miss her terribly.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:22 am to CedarChest
Mine unfortunately passed away in a car wreck several years ago while we were engaged, and I've since moved on to another amazing woman that I'm engaged to marry in October.
But she was an amazing woman that was insanely beautiful, it took me forever to move on because I kept comparing everyone to her. I wish I could post a picture of her, but I won't out of respect to her and my current fiancee... It'll just have to stand that she was INSANELY beautiful and almost loyal to a fault. Her dad never knew we were together because I was a white American and she wasn't allowed to 'date', even after 5 years and us being engaged.
I've since shown many closed-minded people that Arabic/ME women can be blonde, red-headed, light skinned, or totally different from what they imagine. She was blonde and had "white" skin, but those eyes and nose that can only exist from the women from that region... just exotic and gorgeous.
Didn't mean to derail the thread, I just hadn't thought about her in a long time.
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