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re: Before we revolt against the federal government....
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:20 pm to ShinerHorns
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:20 pm to ShinerHorns
Enumerated Powers Federalism
In 1787, the Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation—which was essentially a treaty among sovereign states—with a new constitution ratified by the people themselves in state conventions rather than by state legislatures. The Founders provided the national government with powers it lacked under the Articles and ensured it would be able to act on behalf of the citizenry directly without going through the state governments. But the Founders also thought it important to preserve the states’ power over their own citizens.
The Founders struck this balance by granting the new national government only limited and enumerated powers and leaving the regulation of intrastate commerce to the states.
So, the States should use the powers they already have perhaps?
In 1787, the Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation—which was essentially a treaty among sovereign states—with a new constitution ratified by the people themselves in state conventions rather than by state legislatures. The Founders provided the national government with powers it lacked under the Articles and ensured it would be able to act on behalf of the citizenry directly without going through the state governments. But the Founders also thought it important to preserve the states’ power over their own citizens.
The Founders struck this balance by granting the new national government only limited and enumerated powers and leaving the regulation of intrastate commerce to the states.
So, the States should use the powers they already have perhaps?
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:22 pm to David_DJS
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I have never understood why MAGA isn't all about a COS all day/every day.
While you won't find a bigger COS fan on here than me, to undertake one while our government (state & local, too) is hijacked by uniparty opportunists who use the various levels of government as their personal ATM/Credit Union is to play Russian roulette with only one empty chamber.
Once the DS is purged from the levers of power, we might stand a chance. Ironically enough, if we can extricate those leeches and get back to legitimate representation of we the people's interests, we might not need a COS in the first place.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:28 pm to lake chuck fan
Soap box
Ballot box
Jury box
Cartridge box
There are mechanisms to convene grand juries and essentially "prosecute" government officials. Biggest thing is to stop voting for Democrats at all levels. Go from there. But that is the best way to start.
We need a mix of people running for federal, state, and local offices as well and people are going to have to find ways to make life pure hell for politicians and their staffs when they betray the People. Stop doing business with them, shun them from society, stop doing business with those that contribute to their campaigns.
If people don't start taking action, even drastic action, that is peaceful and non-violent, our country will end up in a place where people feel violence is all that's left and we don't want to go down that road.
Ballot box
Jury box
Cartridge box
There are mechanisms to convene grand juries and essentially "prosecute" government officials. Biggest thing is to stop voting for Democrats at all levels. Go from there. But that is the best way to start.
We need a mix of people running for federal, state, and local offices as well and people are going to have to find ways to make life pure hell for politicians and their staffs when they betray the People. Stop doing business with them, shun them from society, stop doing business with those that contribute to their campaigns.
If people don't start taking action, even drastic action, that is peaceful and non-violent, our country will end up in a place where people feel violence is all that's left and we don't want to go down that road.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:29 pm to VoxDawg
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While you won't find a bigger COS fan on here than me, to undertake one while our government (state & local, too) is hijacked by uniparty opportunists who use the various levels of government as their personal ATM/Credit Union is to play Russian roulette with only one empty chamber.
I'm not as worried about this as you. Before anything becomes consequential, you've got to get 3/4ths of the states to support an amendment and we're talking about a vote where combined Wyoming, South Dakota, and North Dakota have more voting power than New York and California combined.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:36 pm to Stealth Matrix
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We need a Bill of Rights pt. II, and this is the only way to progress towards that. Mainly, we need serious reinforcement for the 1st and 2nd amendments, because apparently some people need clarification that all speech shall be free, and bearing arms shall not be infringed. Penalties for denying these rights should be harsh.
They already are criminal acts, but nobody enforces the law.
quote:
CIVIL RIGHTS CONSPIRACY
18 U.S.C. § 241
Conspiracy Against Rights
Section 241 makes it unlawful for two or more persons to agree to injure, threaten, or intimidate a person in the United States in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States or because of his or her having exercised such a right.
Unlike most conspiracy statutes, §241 does not require, as an element, the commission of an overt act.
The offense is always a felony, even if the underlying conduct would not, on its own, establish a felony violation of another criminal civil rights statute. It is punishable by up to ten years imprisonment unless the government proves an aggravating factor (such as that the offense involved kidnapping aggravated sexual abuse, or resulted in death) in which case it may be punished by up to life imprisonment and, if death results, may be eligible for the death penalty.
Section 241 is used in Law Enforcement Misconduct and Hate Crime Prosecutions. It was historically used, before conspiracy-specific trafficking statutes were adopted, in Human Trafficking prosecutions.
MISCONDUCT BY LAW ENFORCEMENT & OTHER GOVERNMENT ACTORS
18 U.S.C. § 242
Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
This provision makes it a crime for someone acting under color of law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. It is not necessary that the offense be motivated by racial bias or by any other animus.
Defendants act under color of law when they wield power vested by a government entity. Those prosecuted under the statute typically include police officers, sheriff’s deputies, and prison guards. However other government actors, such as judges, district attorneys, other public officials, and public school employees can also act under color of law and can be prosecuted under this statute.
Section 242 does not criminalize any particular type of abusive conduct. Instead, it incorporates by reference rights defined by the Constitution, federal statutes, and interpretive case law. Cases charged by federal prosecutors most often involve physical or sexual assaults. The Department has also prosecuted public officials for thefts, false arrests, evidence-planting, and failing to protect someone in custody from constitutional violations committed by others.
A violation of the statute is a misdemeanor, unless prosecutors prove one of the statutory aggravating factors such as a bodily injury, use of a dangerous weapon, kidnapping, aggravated sexual abuse, death resulting, or attempt to kill, in which case there are graduated penalties up to and including life in prison or death. If charged in conjunction with 18 U.S.C. § 250, as noted below, all sexual assaults under color of law are felonies.
https://www.justice.gov/crt/statutes-enforced-criminal-section#:~:text=18%20U.S.C.%20%C2%A7%20242&text=This%20provision%20makes%20it%20a,laws%20of%20the%20United%20States.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:41 pm to lake chuck fan
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Is their any legal recourse that states could take or individual citizens could take??????
Secession
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:42 pm to lake chuck fan
Aaaaaahhhh,the Keyboard Warrior with his veiled talk of revolution with more than a hint of sedition.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:44 pm to Tandemjay
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A simple nation wide work strike for a week will stop everything and starve DC of revenue for that week.
Yeah, that sounds simple.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:46 pm to LookSquirrel
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So, the States should use the powers they already have perhaps?
I'm all for it, but the problem for last several decades is that the feds leverage states by holding "federal" funding for highways, ag, education, etc. over their heads to keep them in line. Which is obviously a travesty....but it works, and they keep doing it.
I would love to see regional blocks of states start to work together to leverage the feds in pursuit of their citizens' best interests. Border states, gulf states down south, etc. Working together, I think states might have more success.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:48 pm to Bartemiuscrouch123
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I’m at the point where I want to see people suffer. I want executions jail time and exile for anyone in Washington. Make an example of someone. Negotiating with evildoers is a fools errand
Last time I said this, I got a 7 day time out on Twitter.
Of course, I specifically stated that Adam Schiff should be tried and hanged for treason, but... due process would have been followed in that scenario. I fail to see the problem.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:50 pm to Bartemiuscrouch123
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We don’t need an article 5 convention there’s nothing wrong with the constitution we have, the issue is the treasonous government wipes their arse with it
Article 5 convention could allow the states to force term limits on congress and force them to get spending under control as well as migration. I would also think they could stop big Donors, like corporations from being involved in our elections and influencing elections..Depends on what the states press for.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:52 pm to AZHorn
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Article 5 convention could allow the states to force term limits on congress and force them to get spending under control as well as migration. Depends on what the states press for.
Correct. This is why it's so maddening to see smooth-brained windowlickers chant "Congress will never pass that!" when jeering from the cheap seats in a discussion about replacing the income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax, or enacting Congressional term limits.
WE.
DO.
NOT.
NEED.
CONGRESS'.
PERMISSION.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:55 pm to Sharlo
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I would love to see regional blocks of states start to work together to leverage the feds in pursuit of their citizens' best interests. Border states, gulf states down south, etc. Working together, I think states might have more success.
How would they support their citizens that rely on Fed money to live? Social security being the number one issue.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:03 pm to Bartemiuscrouch123
What hole should I find you hiding in once the party starts.
Nutricula seditiosorum ominum
Stugots!
Nutricula seditiosorum ominum
Stugots!
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:04 pm to ThuperThumpin
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How would they support their citizens that rely on Fed money to live? Social security being the number one issue.
I'm not talking about anything that drastic. I'm talking about specific, strategic improvements of stuff that the feds have been screwing up for years.
This isn't a perfect example, but 2-3 years ago Biden's idiot Sec of Defense tried to force all national guard members from every state to get vaxxed. Initially, a bunch of states pushed back. Some, like TX, FL, and MS reminded the feds that they had no standing to regulate states' national guards.
The feds immediately went to their leverage tactics and threatened to pull funding for state national guards, and some states chickened out. But a dozen or so held fast and ultimately the mandate was rescinded.
That's what states with good leadership need to be doing about several issues.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:10 pm to ShinerHorns
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Texas is seceding. It’s up to the rest of you states to figure out what you’re going to do about it.
If Texas leaves the entire country goes hard left.
If California leaves the entire country goes hard right.
I’d rather see CA allowed to go, so many advantages with that scenario.
But there is no scenario in which TX leaves that FL remains for a hard left federal government. Those two states alone would account for a GDP roughly equal to Germany and that’s assuming the Deep South, plains and others didn’t join.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:16 pm to tide06
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I’d rather see CA allowed to go, so many advantages with that scenario.
Especially if it's straight into the Pacific.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:19 pm to Bartemiuscrouch123
You won't do shite
1) It's not happening
2) You like most of the rest are merely Keyboard Warriors , thus lacking the testicular fortitude to follow through with inane boasts .
1) It's not happening
2) You like most of the rest are merely Keyboard Warriors , thus lacking the testicular fortitude to follow through with inane boasts .
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:22 pm to Bartemiuscrouch123
One can only wish every single payer would do this. Can’t do much about payroll deductions, but can sure not file a return.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:22 pm to KiwiHead
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You won't do shite
1) It's not happening
2) You like most of the rest are merely Keyboard Warriors , thus lacking the testicular fortitude to follow through with inane boasts .
Yet curiously frightened of a Convention of States.
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