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re: Before anyone claims victory, what are the specifics
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:21 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:21 pm to The Spleen
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They're passing the proposed CR for 3 weeks in exchange for bringing the Graham-Durbin Immigration reform proposal to the floor for debate/vote.
I have not seen reported that the Graham-Durbin bill will be brought to the floor. McConnell agreed to a fair process on any bill that will be brought. My impression is Graham-Durbin is not going to be the framework for a deal given the president has already said it is a non-starter.
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:24 pm to DarthRebel
All this should tell anyone is that the shutdown didn't poll well for the socialist democrats over the weekend. Now we will see some other bullshite tactic from the socialists, but without the shutdown. That's all.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:25 pm to troyt37
They have nothing else. If they caved they knew it was bad for them. The leverage is with trump, they won’t risk shutting it down again unless they can find away to gain leverage.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:26 pm to scrooster
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He's going to insist DACA kids have to apply and go through the process, the same process as everyone else, to obtain citizenship
And why shouldn't they? Regardless of any acronym put on them they are all here illegally.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:28 pm to Yak
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I see another shutdown in 3 weeks.
And I see funding coming for the wall if the democrats shut it down again
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:29 pm to therick711
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I have not seen reported that the Graham-Durbin bill will be brought to the floor.
You're right. I guess I just assumed that since it's the only proposal that the Senate has brought forward. It had 56 Senators committed to voting in favor of it before Trump said he wouldn't sign it.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:29 pm to therick711
quote:I read somewhere (forget which site) that Cryin Chuck said that the deal was they would negotiate, but if an agreement wasn't reached by 2/8, they would immediately vote on the existing legislation - which would almost have to be Graham-Durbin.
I have not seen reported that the Graham-Durbin bill will be brought to the floor. McConnell agreed to a fair process on any bill that will be brought. My impression is Graham-Durbin is not going to be the framework for a deal given the president has already said it is a non-starter.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:30 pm to SidewalkDawg
The area of agreement is clear at this point. The democrats want DACA and Trump wants the wall and immigration process reform. The republicans hold all of the cards other than cloture so if the Ds want DACA, they will have to give in on the rest of the president's demands. If they don't, no deal will be struck and the process to remove the 20 and 30 somethings subject to DACA will begin in March.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:32 pm to therick711
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The democrats want DACA
So do a lot of Republicans. Enough to clear 60 votes. McConnell is running cover for Trump because he's been so unclear on what he actually wants.
Or at least enough Republicans did as of a couple of weeks ago.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:33 pm to therick711
But the problem for Dems is that they are tieing a DACA vote to people’s livlihoods. Government funding isn’t the area they want to battle. Trump doesn’t have to give them shite and can get something for nothing because then dems can’t allow a shutdown over DACA. They chose poorly.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:34 pm to The Spleen
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McConnell is running cover for Trump because he's been so unclear on what he actually wants.
Democrat abstraction. The only people on earth that can't figure out Trump's position on immigration are democrats. He mentioned it in every speech he gave as a candidate, produced a white paper, and delivered a speech when he ended executive DACA. A refusal to give him a bill that is acceptable to him <> not knowing where he stands on the issue.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:36 pm to SidewalkDawg
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But the problem for Dems is that they are tieing a DACA vote to people’s livlihoods. Government funding isn’t the area they want to battle. Trump doesn’t have to give them shite and can get something for nothing because then dems can’t allow a shutdown over DACA. They chose poorly.
Sure, the framework for a deal if the democrats want DACA is funding the wall and reforming the immigration system. They may not find that palatable, but it is the only way they can get DACA.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:37 pm to therick711
Correct. Their whole play was trying to make the shutdown Trumps fault and it backfired.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:37 pm to SidewalkDawg
quote:Sure they can. DACA vote is more popular than you think.
dems can’t allow a shutdown over DACA
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:39 pm to therick711
But McConnell said he would look at Daca after Feb 8 as long as the government remained open I believe. So Dems have to agree to another CR before Feb 8 or no DACA consideration.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:40 pm to Amblin
The Dems are in a vice.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:42 pm to Yak
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Sure they can. DACA vote is more popular than you think.
Yes it is, but not at the expense of military funding and people's livelihood.
This has to be a separate issue. The Dems fought a losing battle by attaching this to a financial bill that had bi-partisan support. Their only play was trying to blame Trump for the shutdown and it failed. They can't risk shutting it down again over the same argument. They flinched and Trump won this battle.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:47 pm to scrooster
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He's going to insist DACA kids have to apply and go through the process, the same process as everyone else, to obtain citizenship.
Well, to do this they would have to make a process, because there isn't one now. If they make a process and then allow them to enter that process, if it is a fair process, then everyone will likely stay on board for the long haul on this issue.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:48 pm to DarthRebel
A three week deal? They can’t be serious
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:49 pm to SidewalkDawg
quote:Well, since CHIP was paid for this go round, I fully expect 6 million threads with this as the title in 3 weeks
Yes it is, but not at the expense of military funding and people's livelihood.
quote:I agree, but it's their only play
This has to be a separate issue.
quote:I tend to agree, but they got their promise on a DACA vote. If that doesn't happen in 3 weeks, then McConnell will have some explaining to do on the next shutdown
Their only play was trying to blame Trump for the shutdown and it failed. They can't risk shutting it down again over the same argument. They flinched and Trump won this battle.
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