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re: Beauty and the Beast’ Sidekick LeFou Will Have Disney’s First ‘Gay Moment’
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:48 am to JayDeerTay84
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:48 am to JayDeerTay84
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The research sited 46% of the gay men were vs 7% of straight men. Thats a large amount. Women were much less at 22% vs 1% respectively.
But that doesn't necessarily make them become gay. Maybe they were more vulnerable to this type of abuse because of many people telling them something was wrong with them. There's plenty of factors that could come into play here.
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:49 am to KiwiHead
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LeFou's Fudge Shoppe
LeFou already has a tavern there I believe.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:49 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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So, if we let gay people get married, they'll take our guns. Sounds legit.
That isn't what I was getting at, but you know that.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:51 am to Mike da Tigah
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What it's shown me is how very easily America can be influenced to accept that which only a decade or so earlier would have been very unacceptable.
Disney has had gay characters in their movies for decades. Any remote reading into the subtext shows this.
Hell, Frollo had a musical number about justifying raping and murdering a young woman. How is this any worse than that?
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:51 am to JayDeerTay84
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Why would this factor in sexual orientation? Or does it?
Why didn't you answer my questions concerning this?
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:51 am to JayDeerTay84
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Where?
"Research doesn't have a good answer."
It's a perfectly acceptable answer. We don't know everything.
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Why would this factor in sexual orientation? Or does it?
I don't know that it's clear whether that is causation, or a result.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:53 am to Mike da Tigah
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Most everywhere else, the margin was STRONGLY in favor of banning gay marriage, but that's all but disappeared.
Ok, how has your life changed for the negative since gay marriage has been passed? Please tell me one fricking way it has changed your life.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:53 am to RBWilliams8
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I'm a melinial
You say that like it matters.
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I brought in transgenders
You brought it in because it's the only leg you have left to stand on.
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The next generation will be even more fricked up than this one.
You must hang out with some shitty people.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:53 am to Salmon
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Why would this factor in sexual orientation? Or does it?
Why didn't you answer my questions concerning this?
Because if I ask you a question and you refuse to answer by asking me another, its not how this goes.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:53 am to Mike da Tigah
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That isn't what I was getting at
Then what are you getting at? Stand behind your statements.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 10:55 am to JayDeerTay84
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Because if I ask you a question and you refuse to answer by asking me another, its not how this goes.
I didn't refuse to answer. I was asking you a question back so that I could further understand your point and provide an answer.
This is how discussions work.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:00 am to Salmon
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I didn't refuse to answer. I was asking you a question back so that I could further understand your point.
This is how discussions work.
Thats not what you did though. You just reworded my question back at me.
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There are also studies of molested children and their percentage of those children being gay. Why is that?
did the molestation make the them gay?
or were they preyed upon because of their low self esteem/mental health or their desire to be around men?
It could be a multitude of things.
My point was that there "is" something to these numbers, but if we just say well, this is now normal (or whatever word we need to use) do people still investigate?
Even you reference mental health. IF it is mental health related and we brushed it aside as normal, does that help or hurt. I dont know, but I obviously lean towards hurting.
Like the Milo thing. Did him being molested screw up his life? Well that is up to himt o decide. I am sure it certainly shaped his views on certain things
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:03 am to The Spleen
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I'm not much younger, and I've witnessed it happen. The gay marriage votes and SC decision have just been the culmination of the acceptance. The late 80's and 90's saw a huge increase of references to homosexuality in pop culture. Gay rights activism started in the early 70's. It's been a slow acceptance.
Its not the fact of gays in society. We've had gay people forever in society, and people have accepted that as a fact of life. Hell, we all knew Liberache and Elton John were gay back then, and that was just life. They weren't trying to force their lifestyles down America's throats to accept it in their face though, and so people kind of had a whatever approach to it.
What it is however, is the fact of how fast homosexuality has been accepted as normal human behavior and normal lifestyles and being thrown in our face at every turn, and in how fast we went from opposing gay marriage to embracing it. It's the normalization in American society that's changed and almost overnight.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:04 am to JayDeerTay84
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My point was that there "is" something to these numbers, but if we just say well, this is now normal (or whatever word we need to use) do people still investigate?
if the numbers remain? of course we do, why wouldn't we?
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IF it is mental health related and we brushed it aside as normal, does that help or hurt. I dont know, but I obviously lean towards hurting.
you are working under this false premise that normalizing something means we don't continue to help or investigate issues
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:05 am to Salmon
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so that is your fear? that normalization will cause your kid to become gay?
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:06 am to Mike da Tigah
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how fast we went from opposing gay marriage to embracing it
probably because most people realized it didn't affect them, so they just didn't care
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:06 am to Mike da Tigah
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It's the normalization in American society that's changed and almost overnight.
That's a great thing. If only we could move that quickly on other issues.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:07 am to Salmon
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you are working under this false premise that normalizing something means we don't continue to help or investigate issues
That is why I turned it to the Trans topic as it is more sensitive.
Those kids have serious issues and even ones that have surgeries still have serious mental problems. But its celebrated in the media.
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:09 am to JayDeerTay84
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That is why I turned it to the Trans topic as it is more sensitive.
right
you moved the goalposts to fit your argument, which you kept claiming you were not doing
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Those kids have serious issues and even ones that have surgeries still have serious mental problems. But its celebrated in the media.
I'm against the celebration of disfiguring or chemically changing one's body, especially minors
but until Disney has a character change their sex, I fail to see how that is relevant to the topic at hand
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 11:10 am
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:10 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's the normalization in American society that's changed and almost overnight.
That's a great thing. If only we could move that quickly on other issues.
On the trans issues, it certainly is not a great thing. There are serious problems with it. That certainly feels like its being pushed on us.
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