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Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:55 am to hawkeye007
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because its there right to discriminate. so lets just appeal civil rights then.
Freedom of association is actually an enumerated right.
The desire of Adam and Steve to have a wedding cake from the bakery of their choice? Not so much.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:55 am to hawkeye007
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hawkeye007
I ask again:
quote:
Assume that I'm a Catholic baker. A Catholic couple comes and asks for a wedding cake, but one of them is thrice-divorced. As a Catholic, I believe that that marriage is wrong and does not actually exist, so I refuse to bake their cake. Am I a bigot?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:58 am to LSUnKaty
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The morality of it has nothing to do with our laws.
What is the standard for morality and who determines it?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:59 am to Lg
quote:There is none.
standard for morality
quote:You do.
who determines it
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:59 am to Lg
quote:Why do you ask me?
What is the standard for morality and who determines it?
Ask FT.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:00 pm to TN Bhoy
i am a little confused by this question, so the baker and the person are both catholic? did the baker pull out a questionaire to figure out about the 3 divorces. i have a noble idea how about we leave the judgment up to god?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:03 pm to asurob1
And how would a business know someone is gay?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:03 pm to hawkeye007
quote:You didn't address his question.
id the baker pull out a questionaire to figure out about the 3 divorces. i have a noble idea how about we leave the judgment up to god?
Regardless how the info on the divorces came out or who is to judge them, IS THE BAKER A BIGOT?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:05 pm to hawkeye007
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thats a great leap you made to me pissing on the bible. almost as big as the leap you are making with the right to Free Association.
I admit to be a "leaper", Hawk; and my 'pissin' comment is on the edge...so I'll bow to your indignation on that one.
But will you address the point. You really think that the Government of the day, according to the will of the majority...ought to decide just what should be viewed as moral...and that the government should then FORCE YOU to associate/promote ideas and beliefs which you might find misguided or abhorrent?
And where will you stand on the day that this Nation - for whatever reason, plenty there - is rocked to her core and the call to 'go back to god' and restore our country rings out. Mob rule can get ugly.
Live and learn.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:13 pm to LSUnKaty
yes the baker is a bigot, little background on my self here. i was raised in a strict pentecostal family. my grandfather was a minister his whole life. both sides of my family was pentecostal. at the age of 14 i made the decision that i did not want to associate with such a close minded religion. when i married my wife she was methodist and i have since considered myself a methodist because of there acceptence of everyone. our forefathers had the thought that state and church to be seperate why cant we? i think a church has the right to allow and not allow who ever they want in there congregation. if the they dont want to allow people due to thier race or sexual orientation then that is there right. but last time i check these buisineses are not churches.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:16 pm to hawkeye007
quote:frick off.
yes the baker is a bigot
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:17 pm to RCDfan1950
when was this nation led by god? Politicians pander there religous believes to win elections.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:18 pm to LSUnKaty
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The morality of it has nothing to do with our laws.
Not directed at you. Just took what you said as far as morality and our laws. People say you can't legislate morality.
So who determines what is moral and immoral and by what standard is it judged?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:18 pm to hawkeye007
ps...hawk...listening to Rush...check out the new law just passed in Uganda. Wide support from vast majority...death sentence for prolonged homosexuality.
That Constitution, which LIMITS the government and the power of the mob...is a beautiful thing. For as long as it stands anyway.
That Constitution, which LIMITS the government and the power of the mob...is a beautiful thing. For as long as it stands anyway.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:24 pm to RCDfan1950
You can't possibly support that law.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:25 pm to hawkeye007
quote:I'm with you there! Further, government should not force people to do things, especially things contrary to their religious beliefs.
our forefathers had the thought that state and church to be seperate why cant we?
As one raised in a strict pentecostal environment, which you now somewhat reject as too close minded, do you think it is the place of government to tell strict pentecostals how to raise their children and force them to do it that way? Or would that not also be patently close minded?
quote:But a business does not have the right to server or not serve based on moral and or ethical considerations?
i think a church has the right to allow and not allow who ever they want in there congregation.
quote:So, why do churches have special rights that individuals or other organizations do not?
but last time i check these buisineses are not churches.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:27 pm to FT
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You can't possibly support that law.
It's the law of the land. Why would anyone fight it?...
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:28 pm to C
Is this some roundabout Obamacare reference?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:28 pm to LSUnKaty
He's been well indoctrinated. The Bill of Rights are INDIVIDUAL rights, and individuals have the right to practice their faith without government interference. He prefers government trampling over that right because he's a statist.
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