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Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:03 pm to Toddy
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Has Australia had a mass shooting since this legislation?
Yes, several in fact. Moron.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:19 pm to blueboy
Well I think gun homicides are a poor measure to use as justification anyways, and the overall homicide rate is all that matters.
I just quickly compared US homicide data to Australian homicide data from 1990 to 2014 and the homicide rates decreased by about 50% for both countries, and the US actually decreased slightly more. Although our rates were always 2 to 2.5 times higher so maybe we had more room for improvement, but it's basically the same trend.
So even if gun homicides decreased because of the policy, unless it resulted in an overall decease in homicides then that's not compelling evidence to justify it.
I just quickly compared US homicide data to Australian homicide data from 1990 to 2014 and the homicide rates decreased by about 50% for both countries, and the US actually decreased slightly more. Although our rates were always 2 to 2.5 times higher so maybe we had more room for improvement, but it's basically the same trend.
So even if gun homicides decreased because of the policy, unless it resulted in an overall decease in homicides then that's not compelling evidence to justify it.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:29 pm to buckeye_vol
Can simply compare the trend in firearms-related homicides before and after the law went into effect, no change in the rate that would indicate the gun-control laws were effective. Growing number of people are calling BS now and I don't think those laws will survive another decade.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:33 pm to Toddy
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Has Australia had a mass shooting since this legislation?
Four.
The Port Arthur Massacre is what prompted the legislation. In the 21 years prior to the 1996 legislation, there were 12 massacres, 10 by firearm.
In the 21 years since, there have been 13 massacres, four by firearm.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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In the 21 years since, there have been 13 massacres, four by firearm.
I won't to read about these "massacres". HOw many constitutes a "massacre".? Link?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 6:45 pm to Toddy
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I won't to read about these "massacres". HOw many constitutes a "massacre".? Link?
926,190...oh, wait. That's abortions in 2017.
Just one life, right Shep?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 7:36 pm to Toddy
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HOw many constitutes a "massacre".? Link?
What constitutes a mass shooting here? More than one person being killed? Seems like the number changes depending on which side is presenting the argument
Posted on 3/1/18 at 7:46 pm to Toddy
quote:
HOw many constitutes a "massacre".? Link?
It's 3+ killed/wounded
A mass shooting is 3 or 4 wounded or killed depending on the source using the term
Posted on 3/1/18 at 7:54 pm to Four Leaf Tayback
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Australia doesn’t have a “culcha” problem like we do here
They also don't have a Hollywood industry like we do here.
They are more discerning. They don't just swallow boob-tube.
Gun deaths don't decrease because lack of guns because gun deaths are personal and personal kill people by any means necessary.
The exception is actually only gang gun deaths.
The rest is folderol.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:14 pm to blueboy
Yeah, no change here at all.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
No one ever mentions the population density disparity
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:00 am to BamaAtl
quote:Yeah, I'll take the Australian government's word over whatever the frick Ultius is. Maybe you missed
BamaAtl
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A 2006 Injury Prevention study finds a decline in firearm homicides had already begun in Australia before the buyback. It also finds that the decline in percentage terms did increase post-buyback. The study said "the rate of firearm homicide was reducing by an average of 3% per year, [and] this increased to 7.5% per year after the introduction of gun laws. However, the ratio of trend estimates failed to reach statistical significance (p = 0.15) because of the low power inherent in the small numbers involved."
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 1:05 am
Posted on 3/2/18 at 6:22 am to blueboy
We're not Australia so everyone that mentions them and guns in the US can die in a fire.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 6:29 am to austintigerdad
quote:lets take out the numbers from the inner city drug trade that we're never going to prevent bc they happen with weapons we aren't trying to ban
Australia: 0.93 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 0.217 guns per inhabitant.
USA: 10.54 firearm deaths per 100,000 per year, 1.0105 guns per inhabitant.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 6:30 am to blueboy
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Australia doesn’t have a “culcha” problem like we do here
Visit the western suburbs of Sydney and you will find plenty of culcha. Muslim, Slavic, and Asian gangs are always battling. There are entire suburbs where you're pressed to find storefront signs in English. Bankstown, Auburn, Punchbowl, Fairfield, Lidcombe, Yenorra are Muslim shitholes. Cabrametta is all Chinese and Vietnamese. Hitchinbrook is all Indians. Redfern is an Aboriginal ghetto. Liverpool and Campbeltown are the white trash areas. All suburbs have your Slavs sprinkled in, especially Fairfield and Smithfield. All shitholes that hate each other.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/2/18 at 7:00 am to blueboy
Read the summary of that in American Rifleman. Like everything else, Democrats lie to get what they want.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 8:31 am to mofungoo
Also why are we just measuring gun crime/violence after a buyback? Do we not care when people are intentionally killed with knives/hands/explosives etc??? violent crime actually increases with less guns around because you put the law abiding people at the mercy of the worthless criminal POS.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 8:58 am to Four Leaf Tayback
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Australia doesn’t have a “culcha” problem like we do here
Was coming here to post this!!
Here's a breakdown of Australia's ethnic breakdown...
English (36.1%)
Australian (33.5%)
Irish (11.0%)
Scottish (9.3%)
Chinese (5.6%)
Italian (4.6%)
German (4.5%)
Indian (2.8%)
Greek (1.8%)
Dutch (1.6%)
I don't think gun control has much to do with their lack of shootings.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:24 am to Wtodd
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We're not Australia so everyone that mentions them and guns in the US can die in a fire.
It’s also an island. We can’t keep illegal people and narcotics from pouring over our boarders, how on earth could we stop firearms.
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