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re: As an airline pilot, my opinion on the airline crash.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:47 pm to cajunangelle
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:47 pm to cajunangelle
quote:Yes, they speak very quickly but you get used to it because you can usually anticipate what they’re going to say.
Is it normal for ATC to speak so quickly but the pilots are slower and more clear?
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:49 pm to bhtigerfan
Guy on Fox News just said that there is a hard ceiling in the area for helicopters of 200 ft and the crash was between 300-400ft.
So the pilot messed up but why would the ATC not correct them on their altitude?
So the pilot messed up but why would the ATC not correct them on their altitude?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:51 pm to bbvdd
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So the pilot messed up but why would the ATC not correct them on their altitude?
That's my biggest question. Even with the Heloc being VFR, why in the world didn't ATC advise anything on altitude if they saw where they were at?
ETA: The pilots here, feel free to correct me on it, just seems odd.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:51 pm to bhtigerfan
I know nothing about aviation... But this incident seems like it was advising a pedestrian to cross an interstate instead of using pedestrian bridge.. Instead of advising get the hell out of there... Didn't the towers have the information on the altitude of the aircrafts?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:52 pm to bbvdd
I was just told by a smart man on my sunporch-- the helo pilot was suppose to be at 200 ft. she was at 300 ft
Is this true? May have gotten the footage off but she was flying 100 feet off.
Is this true? May have gotten the footage off but she was flying 100 feet off.
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It appears to me that Air Traffic Control failed to control air traffic.
I sincerely hope that if DEI had anything to do with it, that all parties are required to acknowledge the truth.
I sincerely hope that if DEI had anything to do with it, that all parties are required to acknowledge the truth.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:53 pm to bbvdd
quote:I’m not sure about military aircraft, but all commercial aircraft have transponders with ADS-B altitude reporting. The controller can see your altitude on his radar screen by the hundreds of feet, so that should have been caught by the controller that they were both at the same altitude and on a collision course.
Guy on Fox News just said that there is a hard ceiling in the area for helicopters of 200 ft and the crash was between 300-400ft.
So the pilot messed up but why would the ATC not correct them on their altitude?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:53 pm to cajunangelle
quote:
Is it normal for ATC to speak so quickly but the pilots are slower and more clear?
How can you understand this?
Funny enough, I started a thread on the OT while I was just starting flight training because I was struggling with the radios.
After a while, it becomes like understanding a close friend who has a thick foreign accent. You just get it.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:54 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Is it normal for ATC to speak so quickly but the pilots are slower and more clear?
Yes, they speak very quickly but you get used to it because you can usually anticipate what they’re going to say.
Understanding what they say on the radio is a learned skill.
Seriously. New guys always had trouble with it for a month or two. Sometimes more.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:55 pm to Tuscaloosa
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After a while, it becomes like understanding a close friend who has a thick foreign accent. You just get it.
Good comparison.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:56 pm to Tuscaloosa
For reference, here is the initial traffic call by ATC:
That’s about as standard as it gets. No idea how the helo dicked this up.
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PAT25, traffic just south of the Woodrow Bridge, a CRJ, it's 1200 feet setting up for runway 33.
That’s about as standard as it gets. No idea how the helo dicked this up.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:56 pm to bbvdd
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I'm referring to anyone that is paying attention
A frick up killed 67 people.
It's inexcusable.
agreed.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:57 pm to Tuscaloosa
News piling in that it was a female helo pilot
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quote:Yeah, that’s standard. Location, altitude and intentions.
For reference, here is the initial traffic call by ATC:
quote:
PAT25, traffic just south of the Woodrow Bridge, a CRJ, it's 1200 feet setting up for runway 33.
That’s about as standard as it gets. No idea how the helo dicked this up.
It’s obvious the helicopter pilots were looking at the wrong aircraft.
But that ATC radar track?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:00 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
That's the one
altitude deviation confuses me.
altitude deviation confuses me.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:01 pm to Tuscaloosa
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That’s about as standard as it gets. No idea how the helo dicked this up.
Not a pilot, so obviously don't know, but I believe it was Lahood on earlier who said he was shocked in the ATC not giving the Helo a different vector until after the plane crossed... That "pass behind" or whatever they were told was not standard protocol.
Any truth to that Tusc? I know you're a pilot
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:02 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:im not educated enough to have an opinion. But it seems in this case the instructions were pretty vague.
Like, “PAT25, your traffic is a CRJ, 8 o’clock, 4 miles descending thru 600 feet on visual approach to runway 33. Call traffic in sight.”
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:06 pm to tigerfoot
The Blue Angels has a female pilot. The issue with the supposed female pilot with little experience was she had such little flight time.
Sounds like she was off by 100 feet. Why do they train in this flight path?
Sounds like she was off by 100 feet. Why do they train in this flight path?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:07 pm to Tuscaloosa
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No idea how the helo dicked this up.
If the Army was conducting Night Vision training with devices in that environment there are going to be a lot of job opening soon in Amy Aviation.
Pete said this was an Annual Training event so the pilot being evaluated and maybe the IP are reservist. Only significance to that is they dont fly everyday and thats a tough environment.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:08 pm to Lsut81
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Lahood on earlier who said he was shocked in the ATC not giving the Helo a different vector
DC is very restricted airspace. The choppers have a route they follow according to plenty of other reports. Doubt they can just give them " a different vector".
Especially when they are supposed to have a ceiling of 200'.
A helicopter can hover. No reason for them to not slow down, or even stop, if necessary to let traffic pass.
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