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re: Arkansas father charged with murder after shooting 67-year-old man that had is daughter
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Especially when people are trying to extrapolate a motive for the pedo to kill the child. If there is a pattern of this not occurring (while still involving terrible child abuse, which, again, is being discussed specifically to avoid dishonest replies), the likelihood of that sort of danger to the child is decreased severely.
Since people never kill the victim once the jig is up and they're caught or anything.
You're rolling the dice with the life of a teen rape victim.
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:29 am to TigerToGeaux
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Ok I’m 100% confident you are trolling at this point.
SFP IS A TROLL, IGNORE HIS NONSENSE
You're probably right honestly.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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The dad killed him, dude. It's hard to argue that's not vigilante justice.
Dead man can't talk.
Vigilante or not, dad did the right thing.
Time to deal with the daughter. She obviously has issues.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:31 am to JiminyCricket
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Just to be clear, you're saying that as long as the child doesn't go kicking and screaming in the above mentioned scenarios, a parent is to allow the person to leave with their child and wait for law enforcement to handle it. That's what you're saying.
The parent has to be able to observe certain facts about the situation that change their legal authority to respond. The key part is what the dad actually observed.
You gave a scenario where the parent observed a direct thread. I added another one. That changes the scenario entirely.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:32 am to the808bass
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Always good to hear what Satan would say on a topic.
Going back a few hundred years of Christian theology to call math and rationality "Satan"
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:33 am to JiminyCricket
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Since people never kill the victim once the jig is up and they're caught or anything.
If we assume this to be true, the dad engaging would be "the jig is up", correct? Or is your argument that this would only occur if he was caught by the police, and not the dad with a gun?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:35 am to JColtF
Where is Gov Sarah Huckabee Sanders in all of this? She should have her state AG look into this prosecution.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:36 am to JColtF
Maybe it's time for people in Arkansas for people to hold 'mostly peaceful protests' outside (and even inside) the DA's home
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Going back a few hundred years of Christian theology to call math and rationality "Satan"
No. I clearly heard what the defense lawyer would’ve been saying at a bond hearing to defend a child rapist taking a girl he had previously raped (who he was legally not supposed to be around) in the dead of night in his car.
It’s always good to hear from the other side. I forget.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:42 am to the808bass
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I clearly heard what the defense lawyer would’ve been saying at a bond hearing to defend a child rapist taking a girl he had previously raped (who he was legally not supposed to be around) in the dead of night in his car.
Uh, no. Admitting your client not only violated his prior bond conditions but also admitting he committed serious felonies would not be advisable to do as an attorney.
That is also specifically not why that point was introduced, in any way.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:42 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
lol.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:50 am to VOR
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Did God’s “never failing grace” supply the ammo?
What a sick frick you are. It isn't bad enough that you adore and defend pedophiles, now you have to mock a parent of the victim?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:10 am to mtb010
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Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.
You knocking up someone doesnt give you wisdom bro. I was once a 14 year old like you were. Some of the dumbest, and least wise people ive ever met have kids so spare me the emotional drivel
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:12 am to JiminyCricket
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Hunters study their choice of prey. They watch them. They pick up on their patterns. They determine what it is they like and try to utilize that against their prey. Deer hunter set up on creeks with hardwood bottoms, knowing whitetails love to eat acorns. Duck hunters use calls to trick ducks into a sense of safety. Hunter study in depth their prey and utilize tactics to trick them into a trap they cannot escape.
Sounds like the key is picking the dumbest prey possible.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:17 am to JiminyCricket
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FOX News reported that Spencer's family had a no-contact order in place for Fosler because he had stalked and raped the 14-year-old over the summer.
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USA Today reported that the child's mother had thought this time Fosler might be trying to kill her daughter because he was facing six to nine felonies and her daughter was the only witness.
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"This guy that preyed upon their daughter was released on bond, and we had stopped him that night and got him with her," Sheriff Staley told USA Today.
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In October, Sheriff Staley expressed sympathy for Spencer.
“Aaron Spencer was acting as a father. There's no way that we’re going to put the criminals ahead of our kids. Your kids, my kids, they’re all our children.”
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This predator repeatedly violated his child, and - undeterred by criminal charges and release on a low bond that pales in comparison to what was required of Aaron - kidnapped her in the dark of night to continue his assaults on her. The systemic failures for decades that permitted this man to continue his abuses of women and children for years culminated in his facing a father who finally stopped him. No matter what the prosecuting attorney may do to Aaron, he was able to save his child and prevent this man's continued acts of sexual violence against the most vulnerable among us - nothing could be more important than that.
If these are all facts, then charges should absolutely have never been filed. Period. We see too often that LE, whose job is to protect vulnerable victims against abusers, sit idly by because of bullshite bureaucracy that allows them to choose to not do the clear-cut right thing. Then when someone takes things into their own hands in order to protect their loved ones or themselves, they are punished. These instances are rampant across our country. Its absolute horseshite, and there needs to be serious reform.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:52 am to JiminyCricket
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Dad STILL has to go through the legal process of defending himself, which by the way isn't cheap nor stress free.
If found innocent the county should have to pay his legal fees for charging him for that bullshite in the first place
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:53 am to scottydoesntknow
quote:Yeah. Boys never get groomed.
Women are stupid...and especially stupid when they are still kids
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:54 am to scottydoesntknow
Her parents failed her
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:59 am to deltaland
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If found innocent the county should have to pay his legal fees for charging him for that bullshite in the first place
I'm good with that.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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don't know and neither do you. As I have said 10 times, it was a terrible situation. There aren't many positive scenarios unfolding, but that doesn't mean we just straight to the most extreme/unlikely scenario as our foundational base for discussions related to the terrible scenario.
What’s being failed to mention is the fact when the father set out to look for her, at that point they only knew she was missing. They did not know she was with her rapist. Per the article the father luckily happened to come across the guy with his daughter in the vehicle with her rapist.
He didn’t set out on a mission to kill the guy because initially he did not know where she even was. Article said he confronted the man to get his daughter back upon seeing them, which is a reasonable action. Article said the man attacked him, at which point lethal force was used. If those sequence of events are true, that is justified action.
Based on the article, the only thing to determine is whether the rapist physically attacked the father. Whether or not the girls life was in danger is actually not relevant if he himself felt his own life was in danger. If hers was also in danger, that just makes it a slam dunk case.
Also your schtick on here really gets old because either you enjoy trolling people by nitpicking legal arguments or you’re a complete piece of shite and a great example of why people hate most attorneys
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