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re: Arkansas father charged with murder after shooting 67-year-old man that had is daughter

Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:19 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:19 am to
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Perp fights the dad
Dad kills perp

How is this vigilantism? He wasn't tracking down and punishing the criminal, he was getting his daughter back and the perp fought back


Did the pedo have a gun?

Honest question I haven't seen the full factual scenario.

"Self help" is typically considered vigilantism, and it seems the father engaged in self help that escalated. Since he was charged with murder, I presumed this escalation was disproportionate (ie, the dad had a weapon and the pedo did not).
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:22 am to
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Not what this was.

Parents find child missing
Call 911
Go looking for themselves
Find perp driving with daughter
Perp fights the dad
Dad kills perp

How is this vigilantism? He wasn't tracking down and punishing the criminal, he was getting his daughter back and the perp fought back and lost. If he recovered his daughter and later went back to track down the perp to kill him, then that would be vigilantism. The perp was an ACTIVE threat to the life and safety of his daughter.





Let me be a direct as possible here because there's no good that's done by dancing around the reality of the case here.



According to SFP, the correct course of action by the father would've been to call the police and let them handle it. In the meantime, the 14 year old daughter would've likely spent the last hours of her life being raped, tortured and likely murdered. Officers would likely, or perhaps maybe even not, found the remains of a violently murdered and sexually assaulted 14 year old girl tossed in a ditch somewhere to rot. Maybe they catch the perp and maybe he covers his tracks and doesn't ever get caught, who knows how it turns out. Either way, this family gets to remember that their baby girls short life ended with the terror and pain of being brutally raped and then murdered.



This is why people hate lawyers, distrust our judges and generally hold disdain for our entire legal system. According to SFP, it's a better option to allow your daughter to die a torturous and violent death than to defend her.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 9:25 am
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
6583 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:24 am to
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What on earth could entice a 14 year old girl to get into a car with a 67 year old man?


Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.

Kids are dumb, that's why they need loving and protective parents. This dad should have never had hand cuffs put on him. My 13 year old took off on her bike one day to go to her friends house that lived 10 miles away because she was told that her dad punished her. I found her 3 miles from my house going in the exact opposite direction from her friends house.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:26 am to
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What on earth could entice a 14 year old girl to get into a car with a 67 year old man? Did he leave a trail of Apple giftcards or something?


Hunters study their choice of prey. They watch them. They pick up on their patterns. They determine what it is they like and try to utilize that against their prey. Deer hunter set up on creeks with hardwood bottoms, knowing whitetails love to eat acorns. Duck hunters use calls to trick ducks into a sense of safety. Hunter study in depth their prey and utilize tactics to trick them into a trap they cannot escape.






This post is not about hunting.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 9:28 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:27 am to
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In the meantime, the 14 year old daughter would've likely spent the last hours of her life being raped, tortured and likely murdered.

Dude, you're injecting a lot of extreme histrionics here. Reality is bad enough without making shite up to make your point seem more justified.

quote:

According to SFP, it's a better option to allow your daughter to die a torturous and violent death than to defend her.

The straw man of all straw men
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:29 am to
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Dude, you're injecting a lot of extreme histrionics here. Reality is bad enough without making shite up to make your point seem more justified.



The perp has a list of violent sexual offenses and materials regarding young people. Did you think he was going to take her to chuckie cheese's for a pizza party?



quote:

The straw man of all straw men



Should the father have pursued the perp, yes or no?
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:31 am to
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SFP and that Roger homo guy will undoubtedly be here shortly to tell us why the father was wrong.



Whelp, here we are.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93382 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:31 am to
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13-year-old daughter was allegedly groomed and sexually assaulted by a man connected to a family friend. Heather Spencer, Aaron’s wife, explained, “Our family did not know this monster. He just appeared in a place where our child should have been safe and got access to her phone number. And that’s all it took.”


Dad is a hero.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:33 am to
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The perp has a list of violent sexual offenses and materials regarding young people. Did you think he was going to take her to chuckie cheese's for a pizza party?


That's the reality part I referenced

There's no indication that her life in any way was at risk. Now four people try to create a strawman, reference me saying reality is bad enough. Me pointing out that histrionics are not necessary does not negate the terribleness of the reality of the situation and the sexual abuse that was likely to occur.

quote:

Should the father have pursued the perp, yes or no?

He should have called the police. This almost assuredly would have violated the bond conditions of the pedo and he would have gone back to prison pending his charges.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19499 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:36 am to
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"Wrong" is a moral decision.

Did you mean illegal? Because it was. I'd defend him, though. Even give him a discount due to the circumstances.


How did you come to this conclusion based on the facts in the article?

Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:37 am to
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There's no indication that her life in any way was at risk.


She was kidnapped by an evil man. You need to step away from the keyboard and touch grass.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:38 am to
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How did you come to this conclusion based on the facts in the article?


One major assumption, that the pedo did not have a weapon which made the response disproportionate

It's an assumption for sure. For what we know now, I feel it's a very safe assumption
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:38 am to
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That's the reality part I referenced

There's no indication that her life in any way was at risk. Now four people try to create a strawman, reference me saying reality is bad enough. Me pointing out that histrionics are not necessary does not negate the terribleness of the reality of the situation and the sexual abuse that was likely to occur.



Bruh.................................Did you just, with a straight face make the claim that there's no indication that a teenaged girl, kidnapped from her home in the middle of the night by a child sex predator was NOT in danger for her life?


quote:

He should have called the police. This almost assuredly would have violated the bond conditions of the pedo and he would have gone back to prison pending his charges.



So after all your gnashing of teeth about my previous post, you say the right thing is....................................wait for it.......................to do exactly what I said you'd recommend.





Apparently SFP thinks it's not dangerous to the lives of teenaged girls to be kidnapped by pedophiles. Just a mild inconvenience.


This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 9:39 am
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13288 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:38 am to
quote:

pedo was former LEO


"BacK MuH BleW!"
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:39 am to
quote:

One major assumption, that the pedo did not have a weapon which made the response disproportionate

It's an assumption for sure. For what we know now, I feel it's a very safe assumption



Since people don't ever strangle female victims and all.................
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:40 am to
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She was kidnapped

Was she?

The story had been reported implying she left with him.

Illegal? Yes

Terrible? Yes

But again we don't need to interject histrionics when reality is bad enough

Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:42 am to
Don't worry folks. SFP has determined that the girl would've likely been returned home safely. She went with the predator willingly after all, there was no evident danger. Father totally overreacted and had he simply called the police, they likely would've found the pedo and the girl sipping frapps at the local starbucks together.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 9:43 am
Posted by tigersmanager
Member since Jun 2010
11298 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:43 am to
sfp always defending is pedo friends
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:43 am to
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sfp always defending is pedo friends


Literally the opposite
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
11075 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:43 am to
Given these specific circumstances, fearing for the physical safety of his daughter, I’m pretty sure this guy could legally just walk up and shoot the pedo when he caught him with his daughter clearly trying to take her away.
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