re: Are you NeverTrumpers coming around?

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Still amazed at how anyone not blowing sunshine directly up Trumps arse is considered "the left". I even gave props to the agenda and proclaimed Hillary's suckage. Yet..."LEFTIST!"

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I just replied to a guy who thinks I'm prog filth. Just suck it up and realize some people are very emotional

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some people are very emotional

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A much, much kinder word than I would use.

So are actions that a POTUS contributes to but doesn't fully control and/or change.

Obama deserves some credit for OBL, but obviously not the bulk. Similarly, Trump and ISIS.

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They paid Americans to kill it.

we got paid,

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My problems with Trump have never been as strong as they are with his dullard worshippers like this

100%, although I think Cpt is trolling us a little these days

You have alot of them that won't come around no matter what. I was listening to viewer calls on CSpan this morning and all the ones on Dem line were all against the tax bill spewing all the talking points of the Dem leadership. One lady said she is watching the House and Senate and she watches "CNN and MSNBA"... That's reason most will never get their head out of the sand.

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100%, although I think Cpt is trolling us a little these days

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No. It's all about his support for Putin and Euro-style nationalist socialism. When people asked me about this in the fall of 2015, I said the exact same thing.


I support the new tax bill.
I supported the GOP effort to repeal and replace ObamaCare earlier this year.
I generally support Trump's judicial nominations and executive decisions on the EPA and ObamaCare.
I support Trump's public criticism of Obama's JCPOA deal with Iran.
I supported Trump's strike on Assad's airfield.
I supported Trump's move to get closer to Sisi in Egypt and MBS in Saudi Arabia, and to isolate Qatar's rogue behavior.
I supported Trump's statement to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
I supported Trump's going public with China about needing to shut off its support for the PRNK, and threatening a trade war over it.


Despite all of this, there is no way I can ever come around to President Trump. He betrayed our country and sided with our long-time enemy, and continues to this day to intentionally support that enemy's propaganda war against the U.S. intelligence community, and American social and political institutions in general. His entire rise to power has been propelled by conspiracy theory and anti-freedom grievance-mongering over immigration, free trade, and U.S. foreign policy. He has turned American conservatism into a grotesque carnival show, where all popular media commentators must now grovel before him or face the consequences of the populist mob. He continues to support Putin & Assad in Ukraine & Syria, and supports Putin's ability to interfere in American elections again in 2018 and 2020 and on into the future.

He has alienated a huge share of the U.S. electorate, and will cause the GOP to go down in flames in the November 2018 midterm elections. Worst of all, he will further damage the reputation of American conservatism when the truth finally comes out, and he is convicted in U.S. courts for his betrayal of our country, which will stand out as the worst in all of American history.

Alger Hiss
Harry White
Julius & Ethel Rosenberg
Aldrich Ames
Harold Nicholson
Robert Hanssen
Donald J. Trump

i never took on the NeverTrump mantle, but I imagine I'd be included in the group by the PB's standards

i admit that i have an odd collection of ideological preferences but i relate to the center right far more than anything else. i will always be a critic of trump. but then again i'd always be a critic of whoever. i am disloyal ideologically and especially disloyal party-wise

i've said before this tax cut doesn't do much to change that. part of me is happy taxes will be lower for a while, but i didn't want it to happen this way because of the missed opportunities to leverage the right into supporting a better overall structure of taxing and spending. our tax system still needs reform, and this cut makes that less likely to happen anytime soon.

the tax cut would have been about the only possible carrot for getting the elements of the right to really figure out cutting spending and going to the mat for it, if it was packaged with this cut (or ideally, preceded it).

now that dessert has been served, the vegetables will sit uneaten. whatever we have to do later to eventually address our debt/deficits will be worse than having had to figure out spending reform alongside with today's cut.