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re: Are you for Trump leading a group to negotiate a peace deal between NATO/Russia/Ukraine?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:32 am to jonnyanony
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:32 am to jonnyanony
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That's part of it, but Russia won't walk away like that, it will want something.
NATO countries won't want to preclude Ukraine joining so ... stalemate.
Zelensky will say that he won't settle for anything less than pre 2014 boundaries so he can keep the cash and weapons rolling in
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:33 am to GumboPot
He should just fly the new Drumpf plane directly to moscow to pick up Vlad then stop off in Kiev for high heels
Make the deal happen in the sky while fighting climate change
Make the deal happen in the sky while fighting climate change
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:33 am to jonnyanony
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That's part of it, but Russia won't walk away like that, it will want something.
The eastern states in Ukraine want to go with Russia too. Ukraine and Russia already attempted a peace deal before the U.S. intervened and prevented it.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:33 am to Decatur
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Russia leaves Ukraine. Voila peace!
Welp, they already did this dipsh*t via via voter requested annexation ...
Ukraine is taking it in both holes without a bite stick if they continue any aggression toward the now Russian territories ... which is exactly what Brandon/Congress want, to continue the grift.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 9:34 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:33 am to Chimlim
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not attempting to achieve a peace deal.
You really think either side is willing to strike a peace deal right now? Russias terms are for the West and Ukraine to recognize the regions in the East as Russia. Ukraines terms are for Russia to leave Ukraine completely. Neither side will accept the other sides terms and conditions.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:34 am to upgrayedd
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Zelensky will say that he won't settle for anything less than pre 2014 boundaries so he can keep the cash and weapons rolling in
Even that would be amenable to Putin with NATO guarantees of non-expansion, which they will never do.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:34 am to GumboPot
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The eastern states in Ukraine want to go with Russia too.
The separatist factions do, yes, but not the entire populace. That's part of the problem.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:36 am to sta4ever
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You really think either side is willing to strike a peace deal right now?
The U.S. does not want a peace deal. But Russia and Ukraine do. They have already tried it but the U.S. would not allow Zelensky to move forward.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:36 am to jonnyanony
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Even that would be amenable to Putin with NATO guarantees of non-expansion, which they will never do.
Doubtful. We told Russia that 35 years ago them proceeded to push the NATO boundaries eastward.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:40 am to Chimlim
Biden and his cronies are getting Ukraine kickbacks....no doubt in my mind!
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:41 am to GumboPot
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The U.S. does not want a peace deal. But Russia and Ukraine do. They have already tried it but the U.S. would not allow Zelensky to move forward.
Of course you’d say it’s the US’s fault. Really Ukraine just doesn’t want to give up those regions in the East, that Russia is claiming to be theirs. They shouldn’t give up those regions either. frick the Russians and Putin. Putin could care less about peace. The easiest way for peace, is for the aggressor to go the frick home. There wouldn’t be a war right now and no need to strike a peace deal, if the Russians would have just kept their asses home.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:48 am to GumboPot
I’m sure the warmongers in the OT won’t be having any of this since the war is too much fun. frick peace for them.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:49 am to Hobnailboot
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frick no. Would be disaster. Why are we doing anything besides letting Brandon continue to fail.
Because that could escalate to World War III.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:50 am to jonnyanony
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That's part of it, but Russia won't walk away like that, it will want something.
Yes. Russia wants Ukraine to stop killing ethnic russians in eastern ukraine. Very simple.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:52 am to theunknownknight
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Peace is better than war...
Especially is that war is lining up to be the domino that crashes the world's economies.
No, unknownknight, you’re a pussy and a crazy person if you think this. According to those genocidal lunatics in the OT, the only acceptable option is complete Russian defeat and unconditional surrender.
Stop thinking that they have nuclear warheads and tons of human fodder to throw at the front lines. Ukraine has got this and we just have to keep sending them as much cash as humanly possible.
By the way we’ve spent more money on this war than the annual budget of our State Department. Does that make any sense to you? Again, stop thinking. It’s a dangerous pastime, you know.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:55 am to Chimlim
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I find it baffling that our administration is paying Ukraine billions and billions for a war and not attempting to achieve a peace deal.
It's almost like our current leadership wants a war there.
The people on the OT do. They are explicit that this war can not end without all of Russia being forced out of Ukraine and to do an unconditional surrender. They are so shite faced on war that they can not fathom anything beyond their mindsets and what is immediately in front of them, and if you question the narrative, you’re a Putin bootlicker, a pussy, and/or a crazy person.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:56 am to Decatur
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Hold on trying to think of someone worse.
Anthony Blinken is unequivocally worse.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:57 am to upgrayedd
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We told Russia that 35 years ago them proceeded to push the NATO boundaries eastward.
How dare the United States not unilaterally dictate foreign policy to sovereign nations!!!!
We should DEFINTIELY make sure that Russia gets to unilaterally determine what its neighbors get to do though.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:58 am to Decatur
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Russia leaves Ukraine. Voila peace!
It’s not happening, dude. Things are going to really shift once winter hits, there’s a lackluster harvest, and a major energy crisis. That is inevitable and a basic fact, one the idiots over on the OT refuse to acknowledge. Ukraine has done well this month, but they know they have to because they’re on a ticking clock. Winter has always been a loyal friend to the Russians.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:58 am to Decatur
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Hold on trying to think of someone worse. Gimme a minute.
Yea, all those peace deals with no new conflicts for that 4 year stretch were just awful.
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