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re: Are we are headed fast towards the tribulations

Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:29 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:29 am to
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He really dislikes Christians.


Eh, not really. And you're not a Christian, are you? You were espousing a heretical belief earlier in this thread (and Revelator seemed to pay lip service to that very heretical belief too, which I found to be funny).
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:30 am to
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And you're not a Christian, are you?


They wouldnt consider me to be, no.

I dont hate them irrationally though.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15967 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:31 am to
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The spiritual realm is more real than ours. But since we can’t see or understand it, we ignore it, or try to explain it away in humanly terms.


I believe this to be 100% true and also believe this is the way satan deceives most of humanity, with doubt. Just like the original sin of creating doubting in what God said and meant about surly dying if Adam and Eve ate of the fruit on the tree of knowledge.

People who scoff at the Bible do the same thing. They sell and plant the seed of doubt that the scriptures are real of from God. And because of the lack of worldly proof (Not that there is any kind of proof they would believe) they argue that it cannot be true because it doesn't pass the worldly test.
I as a believer do not have of need worldly proof because I have Faith. And even when confronted with doubt from the world I rely on my Faith to cover me until discernment is afforded to me.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62022 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:32 am to
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seemed to pay lip service to that very heretical belief too,


What heretical belief is that?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15967 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:35 am to
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Have you seen how much of the younger generation is willing to side with Islam in America and throughout the world?


Exactly. It's not just the percentage of actual islamists it's the whole of the support of islam as a culture. There are a lot of people ignorantly supporting something that will eventually force them to change or kill them.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62614 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:37 am to
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What heretical belief is that?


A quasi-Gnostic view about the material world. You just said that the spiritual world is "more real" than the material, which is a little odd. Roger took the next step and called the material world "phony". You're both pretty close to just calling it evil. Add in the demiurge, and you're both there.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15967 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:37 am to
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No it’s all fairy tale nonsense.

If God is real, he doesn’t really seem to give a damn about us.



The greatest lie ever told was by the devil, that he wasn't real.

A thief can not rob a house unless he first ties up the owner.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298087 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:37 am to
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Exactly. It's not just the percentage of actual islamists it's the whole of the support of islam as a culture.


They are fad followers. They jump on any bandwagon that looks "fun."
Posted by B2BWWchamps
Jasper, FL
Member since Aug 2023
672 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:38 am to
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If God is real, he doesn’t really seem to give a damn about us.


I’m sorry you are feeling lost but don’t give up
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62022 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:39 am to
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A quasi-Gnostic view about the material world. You just said that the spiritual world is "more real" than the material, which is a little odd. Roger took the next step and called the material world "phony". You're both pretty close to just calling it evil. Add in the demiurge, and you're both there.



Well the spiritual world and it’s inhabitants have been around before the world was created and many of the beings that inhabit that realm have been around for eons and will be around long after the earth is gone. So in that respect, it is more real.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 9:41 am
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15967 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:41 am to
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Do you think the 1.2 billion Catholics are just going to sit around and let themselves be persecuted?


My friend when true persecution comes to the Christian Church again on a mass scale you will see how few there really are.

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What happens when enough is enough


What is enough? look at what's happening in this world today. Is that not enough?
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 9:52 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62022 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:45 am to
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My friend when true persecution comes to the Christian Church again on a mass scale you will how few there really are.


“Narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it.”
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3429 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:47 am to
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Another supposed non-believer who posts on every Christian thread anybody starts.


There’s a lot of ignorance in this world. It’s our responsibility to help educate the world and make it better. I like having lively discussions and learning myself.

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Jesus was clearly referring to Daniel 7:13–14 when he said that. He was not referring to His return, but His death/resurrection and "coming into His kingdom" during His first incarnation. Even if you refuse to acknowledge that as the correct interpretation, you're simply being disingenuous (imagine that) to refuse to acknowledge it as being just as valid as the interpretation that you are biased towards.


Hey good point. That is a valid interpretation. I don’t think most Christians believe that but some do. For you to believe that, you’d have to say that we are presently in the kingdom of God. If I were Christian I would reject that premise, as folks are aborting their babies, warring for no reason, and generally being shitasses with no consequences. There’s a lot of pain and suffering in this world and I don’t think that is supposed to be a part of God’s kingdom. That’s my opinion.

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Clearly he was not referring to people standing around in the present moment when he said "we who are alive."


Paul wrote his epistles when Jesus was thought to be a heavenly entity who was crucified in heaven by the rulers of this age (not Pontius Pilate). He wrote before other Christians invented the Jesus story of a man walking on earth. Paul never says “when Jesus returns”. He never talks about Jesus coming back to earth. All his writings are of the coming of the LORD.

Clearly Paul was referring to “we who are still alive” literally. When the LORD comes (the one and only time) his righteous believers will be transformed. The transformation will be from a sinful fleshly body to a body suitable for use in heaven.

His Thessalonian congregation was like hey Paul, you said we were all about to transformed into heavenly beings. What’s up man?! My buddies and family members are dying and have died and it’s been many years. Paul says not to fret, because even those who have fallen asleep (died) will too be risen and given new heavily bodies.

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For someone who acts like he has an airtight case all the time, you sure do manipulate and spin.


I normally have an airtight case. If my case is something I am not confident in or don’t have evidence to back it up, I don’t make the case.

On the subject of manipulation and spin, it is most often the pious believer who makes the case that the scripture doesn’t mean what it literally or even figuratively or allegorically says. You have a lot of nerve.

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Makes you wonder how much disbelief you actually have as opposed to hate.


You guys can’t fathom how someone can not believe in fairy tales and make believe. I assure you, there is no hate. How could I hate something that doesn’t exist?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15967 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:50 am to
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They are fad followers. They jump on any bandwagon that looks "fun."


I don't even think it's that. I think they will support anything that the people they despise do not support and will not support anything that the people they despise do support.

It's a very shallow position to take and there are far to many evil people ready and willing to take advantage of people blind ignorance.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27032 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:52 am to
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I guess I would. But since exactly no "massive portion" of the American public is trying to set public policy based on either one, I'm not concerned about either one.


Do you think school officials/teachers should lead in school prayers and such?
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
7837 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:01 am to
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If God isn't real you're nothing but an advanced ape, so why should anybody give a damn about you?


Not sure if the poster intended this but you kind of proved his point.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298087 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:02 am to
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I don't even think it's that. I think they will support anything that the people they despise do not support


They have no clue what that is, only the left wing interpretations.

Like MAGA is racist, when Joe biden actually has committed far more acts of "racism" than Trump.

these kids are non thinkers. Theyre just followers.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26950 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:03 am to
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Not sure if the poster intended this but you kind of proved his point.


What point do you think he had? I just asked a very non-original philosophical question.
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:04 am to
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Ah, it’s time for another wacko religion thread.


If you do not care to be a part of it. Don't reply.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15967 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:06 am to
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Do you think school officials/teachers should lead in school prayers and such?



School prayers would be a wonder thing to get back to, but atheists and agnostics will never let that happen again so officially sanctioned school prayer isn't an option.

However, if a teacher feel compelled to do so and certain students feel compelled to join than yes.

But by no means to I feel like teachers and students should be required or forces to participate. And by participate I mean physically and actively taking part, not just someone who just is just walking by and happens to hear someone praying and then makes the determination that that person praying is trying to murder them or converthem unto a cult.

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