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re: Are we are headed fast towards the tribulations

Posted on 11/28/23 at 2:45 pm to
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 2:45 pm to
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of Biblical scholars believe that.


Got a link or anything about majority of scholars who believe we are currently in the kingdom of god?

Daniel was talking about destroying the Babylonians and restoring the king of Judah. When that didn’t happen, 500 years later Paul said the kingdom of God will come after all authorities, rulers, and powers has been destroyed. Paul also said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Read 1 Corinthians 15. Last I checked, there are still other rulers and kings, and the righteous believers in Christ haven’t been raptured up to heaven.

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That is explained in several other places in the Bible. Statements by Paul and the entire book of Revelation.


Paul’s legitimate letters and the Apocalypse don’t reference an earthly Jesus, except for the part about Jesus coming to earth to destroy the other rulers and to judge the living and the dead and to metamorphize the righteous living and the dead and kill all the evil and unbelievers.

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The part that is not true is that because Paul thought that's what was going to happen and it didn't, it means that the prophecy actually conformed to Paul's expectations and when it didn't happen the way he thought it would the only conclusion is that there's no truth to it.


You are the one who twists the text. With your rationale, there can be no failed prophecies even if the prophet incorrectly predicts the timeline.

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For pointing out obvious bullshite offered in bad faith? O.k.


Try to understand your own hypocrisy.

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not logical at all that you would expend the energy that you do trying to argue against Him


And why are you arguing with me?

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Why would you want to learn more about a simp fairy tale?

Be more cultured (because it has had a profound impact on western culture), improve society, learn from mistakes, learn history because it is interesting, and to better be able to refute the delusional (such as you).
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3429 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 3:15 pm to
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To stand in as the ultimate sacrifice. My question is why are sacrifices needed for forgiveness. I know the Bible said that God finds burning flesh to be a pleasing scent, but it's gotta be deeper than that, right?


Blood has magical properties of purification. It took goat blood on the day of atonement to renew creation by sprinkling it throughout the temple. The other goat was pushed off a cliff to carry away the sins of Israel to Azazel… an evil divine spirit. The sins of Israel corrupted creation (including heaven and earth) each year, and the Yom Kippur sacrifices of the goats was a way to renew creation and keep the capstone of the temple plugging up the Tehom “the great deep” so the waters wouldn’t flood the earth again.

It was time to usher in the judgement of the living and the dead and order to renew creation once and for all forever. Besides, the Zadokite priests were screwing up the dates and they weren’t even performing the atonement rituals correctly or on the correct date due to the Babylonian Lunar calendar they adopted. Yahweh is very peculiar. Sacrifices have to be bloody, and festivals and rituals have to be performed on the correct dates. Only the Enochian Jews knew the correct dates because they preserved the solar calendar of the first temple period.

Quit asking questions. Yahweh demands blood. It is what it is.

ETA: they got a lot more converts after the temple was destroyed and the yearly atonement ritual could no longer be performed because the temple no longer existed. In my opinion, they thought “Our great angel LORD Yahweh can’t be that weak and sucky, so maybe Jesus really did offer the ultimate atonement making the temple no longer necessary. “

ETA2: Also consider that Yahweh historically was a dying and rising god. Paul and early Christians believed that Jesus is/was Yahweh, who used to be called Ba’al. There was a period in the first temple period where Yahweh and Ba’al names were interchangeable and it is recorded in the Bible. We can learn more about it using the Ugaritic manuscripts which were written in Cuneiform and deciphered. The Ugaritic manuscripts detailed the Ba’al cycle, which was the yearly killing of Ba’al by his brother Mot to end the rainy season and then El Elyon (the god most high, same exact name used in Deuteronomy 32:8-9) resurrects Ba’al to bring back the rain. Ba’al is also said to have defeated the water dragon Leviathan, the same one Yahweh is said to have slain in the Bible. Weird thing though is that Ba’al dies in this battle and is resurrected. Yahweh never dies…

The weird thing is that in some of the Psalms and in 2 Samuel and Kings it says “the LORD lives!” Well of course he lives, that’s understood and redundant. Not if he had died and was resurrected though.

In Canaanite mythology, Ba’al, later called Yahweh by the Israelites, kills the water dragon (sometimes called Leviathan and Rahab) in our bibles. He split the water dragon into two pieces. One piece he used to make the land. The other piece he used to make the firmament… to separate the (upper) waters from the (lower) waters in Genesis chapter 1. So Jesus who is literally Yahweh has been dying and rising for thousands of years so it made sense that he’d do it one last time for the Enochian Jews which led to them becoming known as Christians.

This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 4:26 pm
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22863 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 3:26 pm to
No. Nothing really indicates the end times compared to historical precedent. Even if it did we shouldn't root for it as that means fewer people will be able to be saved since, if you are a chiliast, only a remnant will be saved from the tribulation.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
24651 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 3:57 pm to
Behold the world of the Poli-Talk board.. All the nutty Q threads and religious threads you could ever care to read.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62022 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 4:01 pm to
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Behold the world of the Poli-Talk board.. All the nutty Q threads and religious threads you could ever care to read.


Maybe you’d prefer some made up thread about a husband who finds his grandpa sexting his wife?
If so, you can always stay on the OT.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62614 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 4:52 pm to
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Maybe you’d prefer some made up thread about a husband who finds his grandpa sexting his wife?


It was a little funny.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52585 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:33 pm to
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Ah, it’s time for another wacko religion thread.
lol
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15967 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:46 pm to
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Behold the world of the Poli-Talk board.. All the nutty Q threads and religious threads you could ever care to read


I’m just astonished we made it to 10 pages without 1) the thread getting whacked and B) no mention of purebloods.

That doesn’t count.
Posted by Prodigal Son
Member since May 2023
1602 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:28 pm to
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Whats the general reason Christians believe God incarnated and sacrificed himself? Christ’s death pays the penalty for all sin ( original sin) for those who repent and put their faith in Him as the one who paid the penalty for their sin.


Yes, this is the basis of Christianity.

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If so why would a god need to blood sacrifice himself in order to forgive sin?


The shortest, simplest answer that I can offer is twofold. One- because He is a just God. Question: Does it anger you; does it seem just, that a crime be committed- and there be no punishment? No restitution? We live in a time where it is painfully obvious what happens when crimes go unpunished. Is that a world that you want to live in? In perpetuity? Is such a world sustainable?

Two- because He is a loving God. He knew, before He created us, that we would be incapable of living a sinless life- and He paid our debt. Question: can free will exist without the freedom to choose? No, it cannot. Can a series of experiences educate you and affect your behavior to the point that you freely choose rightly? I believe so. It is revealed daily, in a microcosm of the scale with which God will effect permanent change for those who choose to accept the Father’s gift of love.
Posted by reddy tiger
Mandeville
Member since Aug 2012
1602 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:11 pm to
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God and that through his Grace and the belief in the sacrifice of Jesus we are saved


Human sacrifice is really weird and barbaric. And the concepts of a loving god and needing his “grace” to avoid eternal torture are irreconcilable.

While I think it’s silly, I’m glad you found something that makes you happy and gives you meaning. I really am. But your religion is for you, not “us”.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15967 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:29 pm to
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Human sacrifice is really weird and barbaric


Please tell that to planed parenthood.

Moloch demands his sacrifices. Million’s of them every year.

Sorry I didn’t read the read of your post. It’s obvious for you and not me.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 9:30 pm
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4938 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 12:42 am to
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It isn't
It is.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
16963 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:38 am to
The mere fact you had to ask why demonstrates why you're a fool.

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