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re: Are these newly released MLK files? Pretty wild.

Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:21 am to
Posted by Cool McCool
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:21 am to
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As I pointed out he was very likely not a good man and might’ve deserved to be in prison depending on what is or isn’t true, but I believe good came from his message.


He certainly doesn't deserve a national holiday bearing his name.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:21 am to
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The man did so much good for us as a nation


bullshite! He was a trouble-stirring fraud. A trained communist agitator.

He trained at the Highlander Folk School on Monteagle Mountain in Tennessee. Rosa Parks also trained there.


A lot of people are truly fricked.

THe wool cannot be pulled anymore. Information Technology is now a great equalizer.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 10:22 am
Posted by Don Quixote
Member since May 2023
4962 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:23 am to
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This has been known about MLK for a while.


yep, I'm in my early 60s and have known this for a long, long time. The only bit that's new to me is the pedophelia claims
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:24 am to
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Go ahead and explain how it helped black Americans.

They were allowed to vote, attend schools and treated equally under the law. That’s a pretty solid trifecta.
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but the data is on my side.

I have no idea what you could possibly be suggesting here? You think blacks were better off without legal rights and the threat of lynching?

The data says more blacks are now wealthy or middle class than prior.

The data says blacks are judges, lawyers, sheriffs and politicians now.

The data says more blacks now attend college by a spectacular percentage.

More blacks now own homes and their wealth is higher than it was during segregation.

You’re just objectively and laughably wrong.
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You’re so certain it was the right thing to do, yet it yielded terrible results. How do you square that circle?

Because LBJ immediately walked in and blew up the black family via the great society to secure their vote within the DNC coalition.

There isn’t a single black American living in the Deep South who didn’t think they were better off post segregation regardless of what poor decisions were or weren’t made individually after that ended.

You're wrong morally, factually and constitutionally and I’m done trying to logic with someone who is an open racist to the point of favoring using the law to persecute others.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:26 am to
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The data says more blacks are now wealthy or middle class than prior.

The data says blacks are judges, lawyers, sheriffs and politicians now.

The data says more blacks now attend college by a spectacular percentage.

More blacks now own homes and their wealth is higher than it was during segregation.


Can you provide your sources please?
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:28 am to
Well there's a fricking surprise.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:28 am to
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It matches other known data that Hoover got on him.

Not sure it's new.


Maybe 2% of the public knew this about him. Yeah, we've heard about some womanizing... most people don't know this or believe this.

The info in the files is A LOT more than just womanizing... And now more people will know what he actually was..
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:37 am to
I’ll give you some of my own

LINK

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The life expectancy gap between Black and white Americans narrowed most rapidly between about 1905 and 1947, after which the rate of improvement was much more modest. And by 1995 the life expectancy ratio was the same as it had been in 1961. There has been some progress in the ensuing two decades, but this is due in part to an increase in premature deaths among working-class whites.

The Black/white ratio of high school completion improved dramatically between the 1940s and the early 1970s, after which it slowed, never reaching parity. College completion followed the same trajectory until 1970, then sharply reversed.

Racial integration in K-12 education at the national level began much earlier than is often believed. It accelerated sharply in the wake of the 1954 Supreme Court decision, Brown v. Board of Education. But this trend leveled off in the early 1970s, followed by a modest trend toward resegregation.

Income by race converged at the greatest rate between 1940 and 1970. However, as of 2018, Black/white income disparities were almost exactly the same as they were in 1968, 50 years earlier. Even taking into account the emergence of the Black middle class, Black Americans on the whole have experienced flat or downward mobility in recent decades.

The racial gap in homeownership steadily narrowed between 1900 and 1970, then stagnated, then reversed. The racial wealth gap is now growing as Black homeownership plummets.

Long-run data on national trends in voting by race is patchy, but the South saw a dramatic increase in Black voter registration between 1940 and 1970, followed by decline and stagnation. What data we have on national Black voter turnout indicate that nearly all of the gains toward equality with white voter turnout occurred between 1952 and 1964, before the Voting Rights Act passed, then almost entirely halted for the rest of the century.

These data reveal a too-slow but unmistakable climb toward racial parity throughout most of the century that begins to flatline around 1970 — a picture quite unlike the hockey stick of historical shorthand.

We draw attention to the unexpected shape and timing of these trends not as an attempt to argue that things are or were better for Black Americans than they might appear. Quite the contrary. Gains on the part of Black Americans — though clear and surprisingly steady during the first two-thirds of the 20th century — were due almost entirely to their fleeing the South by the millions during the Great Migration. Starting new lives in cities such as Chicago, Los Angeles and Philadelphia meant access to better health care, education and economic opportunities. But these destinations, too, were characterized by a persistent reality of exclusion, segregation and racial violence. …

In the last half-century, however, that collective progress has halted, and many who fought so hard for this progress have now lived to see it reversed. …
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 11:05 am
Posted by Don Quixote
Member since May 2023
4962 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:41 am to
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The myth of MLK is going to get shattered


don't hold your breath, his worshipers have far too much invested to ever go back to reality

but it will be a defining moment for them
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 10:44 am
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
19974 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:45 am to
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Catholi


Not anymore.

The takeover has begun and it will be fulfilled.


Downvote all you want, wont change the facts that are coming, mejo.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22030 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:52 am to
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While the new details are amusing, I thought it was well known / widely accepted that MLK and Jesse Jackson notoriously fricked anything that moved - particularly dem white wimminz.


They were absolute scum as people but had a great message.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:59 am to
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There's an adage that great men are seldom good men. I think that was the case with King. A great man, but not a good man

You mean great like ... might you offer an example?

I mean I can name a lot of great men who were, first and foremost, good men.

Your's in an adage I've never heard. Might you have an example or two or three?
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:00 am to
Don’t worry, I’m sure BLM and other black organizations will dismiss this as false and untrue.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34131 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:36 am to
Theres an audio of a woman being raped by an associate, with MLK in the room laughing and commenting

I've listened to clips of it


Martin Luther King Jr ‘watched and laughed’ as woman was raped, secret FBI recording
Posted by L.A.
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Member since Aug 2003
66498 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:42 pm to
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You mean great like ... might you offer an example?

I mean I can name a lot of great men who were, first and foremost, good men.

Your's in an adage I've never heard. Might you have an example or two or three?

The saying is from Winston Churchill. I believe the actual quote is "Great and good are seldom the same man."

MLK Jr was a womanizer and a serial adulterer. That makes him a cheat and a liar. He was a plagiarizer. That makes him a cheat and a liar. So he was not a good or moral man

OTOH, he was the spiritual and emotional leader of the America Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s, which was one of the most transformative movements in American history. I believe that would make him a great man.
Posted by threeputt23
Hammond la
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:43 pm to
King was in discussions with Castro to overthrow the government and establish communist rule. Black militia terror cells were being established as well.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:45 pm to
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OTOH, he was the spiritual and emotional leader of the America Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s, which was one of the most transformative movements in American history.


But that transformation left America worse
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:48 pm to
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I think history may have vindicated Malcolm X.

If history didn't .... Denzel Washington and Spike Lee did.
Posted by L.A.
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66498 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:59 pm to
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But that transformation left America worse

Great means large in amount or degree.

quote:

Cambridge Dictionary:

great
adjective
uk /gre?t/ us /gre?t/
BIG; large in amount, size, or degree:
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
43494 posts
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:08 pm to
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OTOH, he was the spiritual and emotional leader of the America Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s, which was one of the most transformative movements in American history. I believe that would make him a great man.

Did you know that Barrack Obama listed to King's speeches over and over again and endeavored to emulate his style and delivery?

Why do I make that point?

Because, just like Mao, Hitler, Lennin, et al., with exaggerated deliveries meant to rile emotional crowds (and there were others before them, we can rest assured of that - they were simply not recorded) .... King was a communicator. King could present the words and ideas given to him by others.

I think that makes him an influential communicator .... but not a great man. We tend to confuse the two.

Billy Graham, Ronald Reagan, Winston Churchill were great communicators AND great men.

Ironically, Churchill's words are often misquoted.

Trump is not a great communicator. He's nasally and monotone and he has no voice inflection skills ... but his actions speak far more than does his words,which imho makes him a great man. He does what he says and no one tells him what to say.

King was a puppet of the left, the communists, socialists, marxists ... the democrats. That doesn't make him a great man imho. Neither was he a good man. He was, at best, an average man and an above average orator.

Some also say that was Slick Willie's special talent.

Thomas Sowell is a great man, an incredible lecturer and writer ... but not a great orator.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are coattail-hangers of MLK ... neither are either good men or great men. And therein lies the frailty of the human condition when everything is about race and religion.

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