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Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:14 am to Taxing Authority
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SO according to you the founding fathers established an army TWICE in the constitution? And the 2A is the only amendment in the BOR to establish a power? You sure?
When they said "by the people, for the people", do you think they meant state and federal? Or maybe literally, the people.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:17 am to AlwysATgr
"Well regulated" has nothing to do with the firearms.
We are all part of the militia.
We are all part of the militia.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:17 am to Herooftheday
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Or maybe literally, the people.
Maybe all of those. Strike that. Almost certainly all of those.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:18 am to AlwysATgr
"Well regulated" means to maintain and keep in working order, not government regulation and control. Go buy a dictionary.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:21 am to AlwysATgr
The 2nd Amendment is my defense against Klaus Schwab
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:21 am to the808bass
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Maybe all of those. Strike that. Almost certainly all of those
So standing armies, militias, and the people can keep and bear arms, un-infringed?
This post was edited on 6/4/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:24 am to Herooftheday
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So standing armies, militias, and the people can keep and bear arms, un-infringed?
Yes.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:27 am to the808bass
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So standing armies, militias, and the people can keep and bear arms, un-infringed?
Yes.
Somehow I got you tied up in my line of questioning. Good answer but intended for someone else entirely.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:29 am to Herooftheday
No worries.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:31 am to AggieHank86
Our future commander in chief and first Constitutional president was a man of his times. An adventurer who saw opportunities for profit in westward expansion. No better or worse than any others.
His role in (possibly) massacring Jumonville served as the casus belli for the French and Indian war which (eventually) spread to Europe as the Seven Years war. The debt that England incurred in that conflict (our first true world war) is what gave rise to the taxation of the colonists. In our desire for westward expansion (which England generally opposed) we set the conditions for our future conflict with the homeland.
The majority of “professional” Soldiers are completely oblivious to this series of events.
His role in (possibly) massacring Jumonville served as the casus belli for the French and Indian war which (eventually) spread to Europe as the Seven Years war. The debt that England incurred in that conflict (our first true world war) is what gave rise to the taxation of the colonists. In our desire for westward expansion (which England generally opposed) we set the conditions for our future conflict with the homeland.
The majority of “professional” Soldiers are completely oblivious to this series of events.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:39 am to Wolfhound45
Solid work in this thread, General
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:40 am to AggieHank86
quote:When used properly, they are highly effective. The defining battle of the southern campaign, Cowpens, amply proves this. Few armies in the world could withstand British disciplined volley fire and assault by bayonet.
By the end of the year, however, even general Washington opined that the militia was essentially worthless from a military perspective.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:48 am to TGFN57
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It's called the US armed forces. The cool thing is they supply you with the fire power. You don't have to supply your own guns and ammo.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Whoever the subject is or the correct grammatical reading here, this sentence exists. Did the word people take on a new definition when used in the second amendment as opposed to r first, fourth and fifth? Why do we break out the history and definition books to skew interpretations on the amendment that gives people the supreme physical power in the nation?
This post was edited on 6/4/22 at 11:49 am
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:56 am to HeadSlash
It means that the people should have the same weapons carried by the military.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:21 pm to FightinTigersDammit
quote:Thanks baw. Cannot recommend enough to people who are interested in the 2nd amendment to read The French and Indian War and the Struggle for North America, 1754-1763 Empires at War by William M. Fowler Jr.
Solid work in this thread, General
Gives a great background as to how the colonies were beginning to chafe under British leadership and wanted to chart their own destiny. This led to conflict with France
in North American and an eventual world war in Europe (The Seven Years War) and the debt that arose from it. Debt that the Crown wanted the colonists to pay.
And a (relatively) innocuous encounter in Western Pennsylvania was the cause of it all.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:25 pm to AlwysATgr
Perhaps you're focusing on the wrong part of the 2A.
Perhaps you should focus on the word "infringe."
What did the word "infringe" mean to the Founders?
Perhaps you should focus on the word "infringe."
What did the word "infringe" mean to the Founders?
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:41 pm to AlwysATgr
A well regulated breakfast, being necessary to the health and well being of a person, the right of the people to have and eat eggs and bacon shall not be infringed.
Now, tell me how a “well regulated breakfast” modifies “the right of the people.”
Now, tell me how a “well regulated breakfast” modifies “the right of the people.”
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:50 pm to troyt37
You can have those eggs and bacon as long as it's only the egg shells and the bacon grease.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:57 pm to Herooftheday
quote:No more than two ounces though. We do not need any high capacity grease outside of commercial use.
bacon grease
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