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re: Are drivers licenses an example of government overreach?
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:56 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:56 pm to 4cubbies
To a certain extent yes. If you're from NOLA you would know that a DL is no real indicator of driving competency. It's a way of keeping track of you in reality.
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:58 pm to 4cubbies
Lmao.... seriously??? You'd rather have folks driving the same roads as you drive(assuming you drive)that have zero evaluation of thwir driving skills???
Come on girl, you can do bettwr than this....
Come on girl, you can do bettwr than this....
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:59 pm to 4cubbies
What are you trying to hide? Also, imagine the consequences of a do whatever you want society. It would be total chaos.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:59 pm to 4cubbies
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We can all agree that guns are much more dangerous than cars.
No, we can't. Because other people have brains and use them.
The majority of gun deaths every year are self inflicted.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:00 pm to 4cubbies
Driving isn’t a right, it’s a privilege if you can show you know how to do so safely. In my opinion the test and qualifications should be more stringent based on accident rates and deaths from those accidents.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:00 pm to lake chuck fan
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lake chuck fan
Not even to mention that DLs go hand in hand with insurability... and we all need most drivers to be insured. Why would State Farm insure a driver they don't know can effectively drive? Or have the driving record of? (records are attached to DLs)
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:01 pm to 4cubbies
In a perfect world, I would agree that driving licenses are an overreach but we don't live in a perfect world.. so I tend to classify them as a necessary evil. and personally I don't GAF because I'm so used to them.
Licenses are probably important when dealing with things that frequently interact with other people and could reasonably be expected to harm them or property. Guns cannot be because they are necessary tools protected by the 2nd amendment.
100% agree. Shortwave broadcast licenses. Fishing licenses. and a million others are complete BS and should be illegal because they are purely in place for revenue and unneeded control.
Licenses are probably important when dealing with things that frequently interact with other people and could reasonably be expected to harm them or property. Guns cannot be because they are necessary tools protected by the 2nd amendment.
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The incremental expansion of what licenses are used for demonstrates a slippery slope toward greater government intrusion in everyday life.
100% agree. Shortwave broadcast licenses. Fishing licenses. and a million others are complete BS and should be illegal because they are purely in place for revenue and unneeded control.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Humans have the right to travel freely without permission from the state
Correct. We do and I have never asked any state permission to do so.
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Mandating a drivers license operates on the assumption of incompetence.
Also true and yes, we are all incompetent until we learn. A license is proof we have learned the extremely complicated, yet extremely taken for granted, task of driving on public roads.
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There are a multitude of unnecessary administrative fees associated with obtaining and maintaining a license and private car. Some may argue this is inefficiency and waste, and they are certainly burdensome.
Cost of license is fairly cheap. Cheaper over time than a fishing license. Any arguement of inefficiency would be as true as all services provided by the state is imefficient. We have tons of historic examples of this. Yet, many wish to expand the state for some reason.
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Requiring a license and license plate only expands the surveillance state.
Not sure about that. Would be interested in hearing the arguement.
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The incremental expansion of what licenses are used for
Such as?
Bottom line. You are free to travel to anywhere you wish. No one in this country has ever had to ask permission. But roads belong to government. The owner of the roads (government) has deemed that you need to pay and show competence. You are free to not use these roads and travel in other ways.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Humans have the right to travel freely without permission from the state
Correct. We do and I have never asked any state permission to do so.
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Mandating a drivers license operates on the assumption of incompetence.
Also true and yes, we are all incompetent until we learn. A license is proof we have learned the extremely complicated, yet extremely taken for granted, task of driving on public roads.
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There are a multitude of unnecessary administrative fees associated with obtaining and maintaining a license and private car. Some may argue this is inefficiency and waste, and they are certainly burdensome.
Cost of license is fairly cheap. Cheaper over time than a fishing license. Any arguement of inefficiency would be as true as all services provided by the state is imefficient. We have tons of historic examples of this. Yet, many wish to expand the state for some reason.
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Requiring a license and license plate only expands the surveillance state.
Not sure about that. Would be interested in hearing the arguement.
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The incremental expansion of what licenses are used for
Such as?
Bottom line. You are free to travel to anywhere you wish. No one in this country has ever had to ask permission. But roads belong to government. The owner of the roads (government) has deemed that you need to pay and show competence. You are free to not use these roads and travel in other ways.
Double post. Sorry, please delete.
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:04 pm to stonedbegonias
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Come on now, you know very well that we can’t agree on anything.
touché 
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:04 pm to SallysHuman
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Next question... Pilot licensing, necessary or government infringement?
You ever fly a plane?? last thing we need is more idiots in the air with planes loaded down with AVGas cruising around neighborhoods
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:04 pm to 4cubbies
Guns are dangerous? NO! The thugs that use them for illegal activities are dangerous. I own guns, and guess what? They haven’t killed anyone yet.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:05 pm to DarkDrifter
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You ever fly a plane?? last thing we need is more idiots in the air with planes loaded down with AVGas cruising around neighborhoods
I'm in favor of training, testing and licensing. Ask 4cubbies what she thinks, lol.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:06 pm to 4cubbies
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Are there tests to own guns?
Faulty logic. Guns are private property. The roads we use are not.
I do however need a hunting license to properly use that firearm. Same as a driver's license to use my private vehicle.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:06 pm to 4cubbies
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Are there tests to own guns?
Cringe...
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:07 pm to riccoar
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The majority of gun deaths every year are self inflicted.
along with gang violence.. Removing those two brings guns violence numbers to a level that is negligible in the US..
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:07 pm to 4cubbies
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We can all agree that guns are much more dangerous than cars
Highly debateable. Cars kill far more annually.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:08 pm to 4cubbies
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I don't give a shite about gun laws. I work with enough felons who still own guns to know that gun laws are security theater.
Misprision of Felony. While it would be hard to convict, you are a POS for keeping silent on that.
But I suppose in your eyes, if the felon later would harm someone with said firearm you had knowledge of, you would have no liability in that crime or death.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:09 pm to 4cubbies
Bad news: your gotcha, an by extension you, are not nearly as clever as you think you are (I would even argue that you aren't very intelligent at all).
If you are teaching your 15 year old to drive in pasture, then no. You have a right to do what you choose on private property.
Once that child leaves private property and enters the public domain, they are bound by the rules of operating in that public space. Similarly, the rules for anything like running around naked to shooting firearms in the open are governed likewise.
If you are teaching your 15 year old to drive in pasture, then no. You have a right to do what you choose on private property.
Once that child leaves private property and enters the public domain, they are bound by the rules of operating in that public space. Similarly, the rules for anything like running around naked to shooting firearms in the open are governed likewise.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:09 pm to SallysHuman
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I'm in favor of training, testing and licensing. Ask 4cubbies what she thinks, lol.
cubbies is a chick?? that explains a lot if so..
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