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re: AP: memo authorizes ICE to enter homes by force without a judicial warrant

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Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35903 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:42 pm to
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"If we decide


And we did.

Life is always a series of compromises. Thanks for keeping up
This post was edited on 1/21/26 at 4:43 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476474 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:43 pm to
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How does the constitution apply to an illegal criminal who should not be here.


It largely applies to them the same as anyone else. Only a few things may be truncated, like the 2A.

Again, this is a limit on government. Why would it only apply to citizens? This is just like the arguments claiming non-citizens don't get due process.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27057 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:44 pm to
quote:

"If we decide that the law being broken is super duper bad then the constitution doesn't apply and we can do what we want"

-Robin Masters, Esq.



seems like he isn't the only one that feels this way either which is scary.

then again, when has the government ever abused a temporary power given to them? :lol:
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35903 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:44 pm to
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it stops police/ICE from entering your home with a warrant.


The police can most certainly enter your home without a warrant.

Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
8038 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:44 pm to
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exacts retribution on political foes,


Ah look at this bullshite right here. So, the things Obama and Biden with the help of Hillary Clinton was not retribution of political foes?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476474 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:44 pm to
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Your premise conveniently leaves out the part where the open borders and unfettered illegals immigration is a scheme to undo our republic wholesale.


quote:

But by all means scream at the sky


You just typed those things

...back to back

Posted by Jesterea
Member since Nov 2011
1213 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:45 pm to
Then move to a place that more suits your vision of how a nation should be and stop trying ruin mine. You don’t like the constitution, then propose an amendment.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35903 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:46 pm to
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when has the government ever abused a temporary power given to them


You mean like “provide for the common defense” when they allowed 30MM ILLEGALS entry in order to undermine the vote of the citizenry?
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53711 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:46 pm to
Illegals shouldn’t have any rights
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55433 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:47 pm to
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The founders never believed that the constitution could work if the people hated the country. It was never supposed to be without qualifications and limitations.

“Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."
Sam Adams

"We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

Okay, but the argument you are making is that the country has devolved to a point at which the Constitution is ineffective and should be discarded.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
22895 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:48 pm to
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It’s called probable cause. LEO’s have always been allowed to forcefully enter a home with probable cause, without a warrant.


Ice Officer John to Ice Officer Henry: "Is that Asado Negro or Smoked Birria Tacos I smell"?

Ice Officer Henry to Ice Officer John: "Smells like Muqmad to me."

Ice Officer John to Ice Officer Squad: "Enter and Engage now"!!

Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
8038 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:48 pm to
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The things that MAGA has rejected is getting stunning


The thing MAGA does understand is illegal aliens with orders to deport have had their due process and now it's time to go back. When ICE enters the premises and finds a dozen or so more illegals with that individual? Guess what? They get to go back with that individual. See Trump does care about families staying together.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476474 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:49 pm to
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Illegals shouldn’t have any rights


The Amendment process exists for you to try to make this the law.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
6249 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:49 pm to
I’d like to see more links to confirm if true. Homan said in an interview a few weeks ago they are not allowed to bust in homes without a warrant.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115309 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:50 pm to
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I’d like to see more links to confirm if true. Homan said in an interview a few weeks ago they are not allowed to bust in homes without a warrant.


They have a warrant.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55433 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:51 pm to
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Sounds like authoritarian bullshite, but OK.

SFP, I might be mistaken but I think his point was that many would say they are against fascism but are in favor of most of the elements of fascism if wielded by their champions. I think you are arguing with your ally.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
10645 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:51 pm to
This is another irresponsible and sensationalized headline from AP.

(1) AP does not have a full copy of the ICE Memo that was issued in May 2025. (2) The excerpts of the memo included in the left wing press release are heavily edited. (3) The excerpts from the actual ICE Memo specifically reference the need for a judicial warrant to enter the home of a third-party.

AP should be embarrassed for posting this act of yellow journalism.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
6249 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:52 pm to
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They have a warrant.


Then all good.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476474 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:53 pm to
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SFP, I might be mistaken but I think his point was that many would say they are against fascism but are in favor of most of the elements of fascism if wielded by their champions

Only if they support fascism and reject freedom.

But yes, that road starts with in/out group identification.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
8038 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:53 pm to
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Then move to a place that more suits your vision of how a nation should be and stop trying ruin mine


You guys are well on your way to ruining it already.
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