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re: Anyone questioning the history they were taught in school?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:34 am to Fells
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:34 am to Fells
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I absolutely love how y'all are all like "We're not the racists! It's those SAD dems that are the real racists!!!!" while simultaneously suggesting that we should have fought WW2 on the side of the holocaust perpetrators and that the Civil War was about "States Rights" and not States Rights to enslave black people.
It is possible that both the Nazis AND Commies were evil.
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:39 am to aggressor
Great post. (Could have been broken up as several fascinating stand-alone subjects of debate.)
But in principle you're right; "'History'' IS flawed". But is that be design or accident?
Regarding "Manifest Destiny -- it was basically, 'Let's Go Attila-the-Hun':
"WE ARE THE ANOINTED -- DAMN ANY SOVEREIGN NATION THAT STANDS IN OUR RIGHTFUL WAY OF DOMINANCE."
THIS is the Bottom Line.
But in principle you're right; "'History'' IS flawed". But is that be design or accident?
Regarding "Manifest Destiny -- it was basically, 'Let's Go Attila-the-Hun':
"WE ARE THE ANOINTED -- DAMN ANY SOVEREIGN NATION THAT STANDS IN OUR RIGHTFUL WAY OF DOMINANCE."
quote:
You just can't trust any one history book or accounting, you have to dig and always be a skeptic.
THIS is the Bottom Line.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:40 am to kingbob
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It is possible that both the Nazis AND Commies were evil
Sure but that doesn't make me want to support Nazis lol.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:42 am to kingbob
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What if I told you that the Americas were a major player in world affairs during the bronze age? What if I told you that the Smithsonian has actively repressed and destroyed evidence of old world contact with the new world prior to 1492? Egyptian pharaohs had chocolate, tobacco, boomerangs, and coffee in their tombs. Inca, California native tribes, and Polynesians share some of the same words, foods, and boat construction techniques. Carthage and Rome had far larger sea-going ships than did Columbus. The Americas are absolutely littered with ruins of advanced civilizations that completely defy the historical narrative.
*I'D* say you knew your sh*t. AND should be heading the NEA "World History" Dept.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:43 am to Fells
I don't know but I think calling all Germans in WW2 "NAZI", may be the same as calling all American GI "Democrats".
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:46 am to LookSquirrel
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I don't know but I think calling all Germans in WW2 "NAZI", may be the same as calling all American GI "Democrats
You definitely don't know since the Nazi government was a dictatorship that didn't allow for representative government or other political parties.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:52 am to Fells
I absolutely love how y'all are all like
HUH?!?
That's a whiff. Bad one.
Not even within a thousand mile sniff of the real context. That's turrible.
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"We're not the racists! It's those SAD dems that are the real racists!!!!" while simultaneously suggesting that we should have fought WW2 on the side of the holocaust perpetrators and that the Civil War was about "States Rights" and not States Rights to enslave black people. It's beautiful.
HUH?!?
That's a whiff. Bad one.
Not even within a thousand mile sniff of the real context. That's turrible.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:55 am to LookSquirrel
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I think calling all Germans in WW2 "NAZI", may be the same as calling all American GI "Democrats".
Valid analogy.
Only historical illiterates don't know the difference between "NAZIs" and "WEHRMACHT" (or "German soldiers/defenders").
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:57 am to Liberator
"This entire war we should have fought with the fascists against the communusts and not the other way around"
That is pretty clear.
8 upvotes as of now. 2 downvotes.
That is pretty clear.
8 upvotes as of now. 2 downvotes.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:02 am to Liberator
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Valid analogy.
Terrible analogy. We didn't fight against a German Republic that happened to be controlled by one political party through real elections.
We fought against a fascist Nazi state that didn't allow for change in government or rival political parties/expression.
Just because some Germans had to "go along with it" does not mean that Nazi Germany was anything like a functional republic.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:07 am to Fells
The real kicker is that most of the translation of ancient texts was done by monks, at the behest of the church. We already have tons of examples of Renaissance artifact hunters "finding" these transcribed scrolls in monasteries far away, only to copy them and lose the original time and time again. Many historical accounts were later proven to be fictitious or falsified, while others that were believed to be fictitious (like Troy) found to have actually existed.
Considering that throughout most of history, the majority of the population was illiterate and most of the accounts of history were written hundreds of years after the fact, it is very easy to jump to the conclusion that a great deal of the actual history was left out or altered.
Considering that throughout most of history, the majority of the population was illiterate and most of the accounts of history were written hundreds of years after the fact, it is very easy to jump to the conclusion that a great deal of the actual history was left out or altered.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:09 am to TigerNlc
Pearl Harbor doesn’t all add up. Lots of theories here. I don’t know, but I have looked at the history were taught with a more critical eye the last few years.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:14 am to kingbob
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It is possible that both the Nazis AND Commies were evil.
Speaking OF "evil" and "Commies"...
If we connect the (solid) dots, FDR's rogue admin's State Dept was heavily infiltrated by Commie-Globalist ideologues in high places who:
* Fed, armed & supplied Stalinist forces (aka THEIR "Allies") with documented billions via the "Lend-Lease" programs
* Affected & directed all American WW2 war tactics, policies and post-WW2 "gifting" of Eastern Europe to Stalinist-Commie USSR (PATTON knew what was afoot and DISAPPROVED)
* before WW2 had even ended had spread their Communist viral infestation and ideology throughout g0vt agencies and into the United Nations. FDR's Communist-Globalist ideologues brokered the 'One World' philosophy, necessarily weakening US sovereignty, independence and self-interest
Sen Joe McCarthy was the single US Senator who tried drawing the line in the stand we needed at the time found NO HELP. (Just like Trump 75 years later). Both were left hung out to dry and betrayed by cowards.
Where are we now? (Inside our own 10 yard line?)
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:21 am to Liberator
Another thing regarding history is that fables have a way of working their way into real history. Ask the average American about Washington and the cherry tree or Betty Ross and the flag. These are both 100% fabrications, yet most children are taught this in school.
Throw in the social narrative where my kids don't learn the facts about Columbus' journey or the English settlers, but learn about how evil Columbus was and how the English exploited the Indians. History should be a presentation of facts, which sadly, exists less and less
Throw in the social narrative where my kids don't learn the facts about Columbus' journey or the English settlers, but learn about how evil Columbus was and how the English exploited the Indians. History should be a presentation of facts, which sadly, exists less and less
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:21 am to Sneauxghost
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Pearl Harbor doesn’t all add up. Lots of theories here.
A bit more than "theories". (Unfortunately).
The quest for "clarity" is fraught with inevitable degrees of whiplash from all the "smdh's"
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:49 am to Fells
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that the Civil War was about "States Rights" and not States Rights to enslave black people.
The Civil War was the first thing that made me question history, way back in jr high or high school. The idea that there was some great moral divide and it just happened to coincide with the Mason Dixon line just doesn't pass even rudimentary critical thinking. Slavery was part of the equation but it wasn't the equation. That's a simple answer for fools. It's like claiming we fought WWII because of Pearl Harbor.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:50 am to TigerNlc
I mean, the winners write history. We still don’t know what happened for sure during the Reichstag Fire and probably never will. All history should be questioned.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:55 am to WallsAllAroundMe
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THe Civil war for instance, I have read a lot on this and there are many other reasons the civil war occurred, including states' rights. However, today all we hear is that the Civil war was all about slavery and the south not wanting to give that up
Secession may have been over slavery
The war was over money. Just the cotton exports from the South dwarfed the North's entire GDP. Acts of aggression including the Morrill tariff hindered trading in the South and may not have been the final straw, but it was extremely unpopular in the South.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:57 am to AUauditor
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The winners write the history books.
I have heard that a lot.
Yet I have WWI and WWII books written by Germans, Napoleonic Wars books by French authors, Vietnam books by American authors, etc.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:57 am to TigerNlc
No, i didnt pay attention.
What i learned i learned doing my own research.
What i learned i learned doing my own research.
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