re: Anybody watching Waco on Netflix?

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Yes! The FBI pretty bad also! And the shite bird media!

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A good friend of mine was there. It was her first case as field agent in the FBI. Lots of interesting stories.

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It's crazy how dudes were so open to letting Vern bang and marry their wife.

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Seriously. That dude walked up to a man and said, " I talked to Jesus and he told me that I really needed to be banging your wife. So that's gonna be what's happening from now on.Thanks.... Also one more thing. he also said you can't bang your wife anymore. So work that out with yourself."


I mean he was crazy mofo, but at the same time - respect Respect

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I'm kind of surprised at the amount of posters stopping just short of justifying McVeigh's bombing

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I don’t ever justify any act of violence. But the federal government’s response to Waco 100% set the stage for what McVeigh did. Just as our involvement in Afghanistan during the Soviets’ war radicalized much of their population. That doesn’t mean they’re not terrorists, it just means maybe we should start looking at our policies and the consequences of government overreach. He knew some of the women and children that were burned alive in that compound. Everything in history has a cause and effect, but we’re usually too stubborn or proud to admit our mistakes. To this day, the federal government is still spreading misinformation about Waco.

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Our government didn't make McVeigh or Bin Laden do what they did. Those two men had agency over their own actions and decided to commit terrible atrocities against innocent civilians, citing our government's actions as the excuse for why they did it. There were a thousand other options on the table they could have picked from. They went with mass murder. That makes them both evil human beings.

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Should stay out...but I'll jump in.

As a "psychopath" and a "dumb arse"...I haven't justified McVeigh's action; I only speculated as to HIS rationale for 'terrorist' action. And did so as a means to predict future reaction to what was clearly BEGAN by a Government who had "agency over their actions". Even more so than McVeigh. McVeigh has power over NOBODY but himself; whether we trust him means nothing. Not so with OUR Government. They are SWORN to follow defined rules of behavior; and in this case...they CHOSE not to.

I don't defend McVeigh...neither do I defend our IRREPENTANT AND UNACCOUNATBLE Government. They got a pass for their murder...McVeigh rightly paid for his; and sought no mercy. IMO, he - as a murderer of innocent children - was more honorable in his evil than our Government. A Government which should hold our faith in their honesty above all...as such is all that stands between them being honest servants...or ruthless tyrants.

And for the record...I have a beautiful 5 yr. old Great Grandaughter in my lap right now. Loves me with all her heart...as do I. I believe that I'll reap what I sew, and that "he that leadeth into captivity...goeth into captivity"; I.e., that if I justify McVeigh's action (as you assume)...my love will end up in a bombed out building. I take this stuff dead serious.

Bottom line. If our Government abandons Rule of Law and Equal Justice...it won't be me or those on this Forum that attacks Government...it'll be the 'McVeighs' who rightly assess pernicious and murderous Government exercise of power...and choose to act against said 'government' in WHATEVER way possible. Including my Grand Child.

F any 'government' that brings this plague upon us. I may not shoot...but I'll talk till silenced. Damn them to hell. And enablers who justify and support such as well.

Talk is good. Well intentioned talk. I assume you good intent.

I'm sure it's been covered 85 times in the thread, but is it true they could have arrested Koresh a bunch of times when he went to town? I always laughed at one of my friends who said at the time these people were murdered for no reason. I regret that now. Koresh may have been a sicko, but this could have been handled better.

As for OKC, there is a lot of tinfoil out there.

Janet Reno was a disaster as the AG. An absolute disaster. IMO she was dumb as shite. This horrible disaster could have been avoided. They had plenty oppertunities to isolate and capture Koresh.

Watching that building with all those men, women, and babies burning down sent chills up and down my spine.

What scares me now? Exactly what we're witnessing with the rise of the police state. I mean come on people. Slapping a $ 1000 fine on folks because people refuse to wear a stupid mask.

mcveigh and bin laden were patsies,whitewater files were stored in murrah bldg,mcveigh was spec ops a clinton operation all the way.ammonium nitrate didnt blow that bldg, up

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Careful, plenty of “conservatives” here will defend the FBI and ATF because they back the blue

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Personally, I think one of the problems in this country when it comes to law enforcement in this country is that there are way too many federal law enforcement agencies.

FBI, DHS, ATF, DEA, Secret Service, Fish and Wildlife. Etc. Etc. Etc

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Didn't Elian Gonzales also occur on Janet Reno's watch? Dems love them some immigrants except when they don't toe the party line.

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Bad analogy, pal.

Any dad, especially one who has been screwed over in a custody battle, will likely tell you that kid needed to go back to his dad, one way or the other.

Don't frick with a father's custody rights. Period. End of fricking discussion.