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re: Anybody watching Waco on Netflix?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:10 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:10 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The way I remembered it, they blamed Koresh for everything. It was his fault.
I think the documentary I saw was the one on A&E... It was freaky hearing the recorded negotiations and then the killing of rabbits audio the FBI blared for hours.
Koresh was a murderer and monster for killing all those kids, but the Feds are the ones that caused the massacre.
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:13 pm to imjustafatkid
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Puts what he did into an entirely different context.
It really doesn't. The man murdered innocent men, women and children because he was pissed off that the government murdered innocent men, women and children. Two wrongs don't make a right. The difference between the two is that the government, in their incompetence, accidentally killed all of those people. McVeigh killed all of those people intentionally and with malice.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:18 pm to RollTide1987
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McVeigh killed all of those people intentionally and with malice.
Y’all should watch the OKC documentary on Netflix... Will make your blood boil.
They claim he didn’t know there was a daycare in the building, but then say that they don’t know if he would have changed his mind had he known.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:19 pm to NIH
quote:Horrible. There's a world of difference between an officer that has to fire his weapon because someone is being erratic and aggressive.... and rolling up on a multi-family residence with helicopters and tanks.
Careful, plenty of “conservatives” here will defend the FBI and ATF because they back the blue
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:24 pm to RollTide1987
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It really doesn't. The man murdered innocent men, women and children because he was pissed off that the government murdered innocent men, women and children. Two wrongs don't make a right. The difference between the two is that the government, in their incompetence, accidentally killed all of those people. McVeigh killed all of those people intentionally and with malice.
Is "wiretapping Trump", and the Muh Russia Congressional attempt to justify such..."incompetence"...or "intentional, and with malice"?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:33 pm to The Boat
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It's crazy how dudes were so open to letting Vern bang and marry their wife.
Cuckoldry runs rampant in cults
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:43 pm to RCDfan1950
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true 'Conservative' will never defend corruption. The bloom is off the DOJ/Intel Community rose, NIH; from Waco to Muh Russia, it's obvious that the extraordinary power up there corrupts' those who hold it. Power drunk Bureaucrats took it upon themselves to determine which women and children might die in service to the power broker's Ideological bent...and so...did McVeigh. Both were evil. But I hold those who were under Oath more responsible to serve Constitutional Principle than the emotion-driven, lone wolf, super patriot/terrorist McVeigh. "To whom much is given, much is required". I think McVeigh accepted responsibility for his murder...while the Bureaucrats never did. Jesus can decide the fate of both.
It's the same now for Obama/Brennan/Dem Party. They've abandoned Equal Justice/Rule of Law for Ideological ends. And there are a ton of 'Mcveighs' out there doing exactly what McVeigh did. Observe, and imagine. To the degree that Government abuses power...to that degree the reactionary powers will act.
Barr had better call out the corrupt, chastise the over zealous Ideologues, and prosecute those who remain unrepentant re criminal overreach to defeat Trump. Top to bottom. Elsewise, sooner or later, another 'Waco' will happen...and off we'll go down the road to perdition. And the Dem Party will rue the day that they abandoned Rule of Law, as a feeding frenzy of 'justice' and due recompense ensues.
I pray that wisdom prevails...but won't hold my breath. Egos are strong at that level.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:44 pm to TigerChief10
Feb 1993, I had just been honorably discharged from the Navy and was going to school at McLennan Community College in Waco. Was doing some Calculus homework at my parents kitchen table on a Sunday morning when the local news station, KBTX, interrupted programming and started showing video of the initial ATF raid and subsequent shootout that killed many ATF agents.
I actually knew the reporter through a friend of mine and the raid was a huge show of power by ATF / Janet Reno / Clinton Admin, and unnecessary if they wanted Koresh. All they had to do was contact McLennan County Sheriff Parnell MacNamara and he and his deputies would have arrested Koresh away from the compound or they would have asked him to come out. In fact, years earlier, there was a shooting Koresh was involved with and MacNamara went and told Koresh that he had to take him in. Koresh came in peacefully.
Whole thing could have been avoided if the Feds didn't push and exert their "power".
100% believe that Koresh was running a cult and was abusing and sexually assaulting children. But it could have been handled way differently.
I actually knew the reporter through a friend of mine and the raid was a huge show of power by ATF / Janet Reno / Clinton Admin, and unnecessary if they wanted Koresh. All they had to do was contact McLennan County Sheriff Parnell MacNamara and he and his deputies would have arrested Koresh away from the compound or they would have asked him to come out. In fact, years earlier, there was a shooting Koresh was involved with and MacNamara went and told Koresh that he had to take him in. Koresh came in peacefully.
Whole thing could have been avoided if the Feds didn't push and exert their "power".
100% believe that Koresh was running a cult and was abusing and sexually assaulting children. But it could have been handled way differently.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:47 pm to DyeHardDylan
There are PLENTY of federal law enforcement agencies.There's absolutely no need for an Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms.
As someone said earlier,it should be the name of a convenience store not a federal law enforcement agency.
As someone said earlier,it should be the name of a convenience store not a federal law enforcement agency.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:49 pm to scurvydawg
I fully agree with you
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:52 pm to RollTide1987
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The difference between the two is that the government, in their incompetence, accidentally killed all of those people.
Accidentally? They accidentally rolled tanks into the buildings and fired off napalm? They accidentally destroyed all the exits to the building before they accidentally set them on fire? They accidentally swarmed and attacked a compound that had been visited many times by local law enforcement officers that discovered no illegal activity?
Do you think that the FBI accidentally sniped an unarmed woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge too?
There was no accidentally. It was straight up murder.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:54 pm to scurvydawg
ATF was up for a big funding increase and wanted video of their ninjas taking down some bad guys to show in Congress.
I was ready to go to war with the government back then after what they did to Randy Weaver and then murdering these people. OKC was evil, but I knew what that was about the second I heard it. It was inevitable. Bill Clinton was pure evil. Still is. The 'he's fuxxin kids' angle didn't come up till very late in the siege. It was after the fact. This was a bout a box of dummy grenades they were selling at gun shows and people reporting hearing what they thought was full auto fire at the compound. That's it. What they did with the bulldozers while that thing was still smoking was a pure coverup of a massacre.
The federal government murdered those people, covered it up, and got away with it. They'll do it again.
I was ready to go to war with the government back then after what they did to Randy Weaver and then murdering these people. OKC was evil, but I knew what that was about the second I heard it. It was inevitable. Bill Clinton was pure evil. Still is. The 'he's fuxxin kids' angle didn't come up till very late in the siege. It was after the fact. This was a bout a box of dummy grenades they were selling at gun shows and people reporting hearing what they thought was full auto fire at the compound. That's it. What they did with the bulldozers while that thing was still smoking was a pure coverup of a massacre.
The federal government murdered those people, covered it up, and got away with it. They'll do it again.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:54 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The way I remembered it, they blamed Koresh for everything. It was his fault.
Of course they did. And they pushed the false narrative that he was molesting kids, despite multiple visits from local law enforcement that found no evidence.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:01 pm to Captain Rumbeard
If the same shite happened today under the current leadership you’d probably post USA emojis.
No one in this thread gives a damn about the people who died. Y’all are just delayed-melting because Clinton lmao
No one in this thread gives a damn about the people who died. Y’all are just delayed-melting because Clinton lmao
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:10 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
Lord, I’d forgotten that.
In new coverage he was the creepy child molester.
In new coverage he was the creepy child molester.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:13 pm to Lakeboy7
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Not really, he blew up a daycare among other things.
Just another plot that federal law enforcement allowed or encouraged to happen. The official story of OKC is one of the biggest jokes pushed onto the public by the feds.
McVeigh and Nichols were able to surreptitiously buy 4000 pounds of fertilizer, build a bomb, drive it to the site, and detonate it, but got caught because the getaway car didn't have tags on it? They have to be the most competent incompetent criminals in America.
Even the IG said the investigation was corrupt and the evidence did not support the "facts" presented by the prosecution.
No ATF field agents were in the office that day, but one official said 2 workers were there at the time. Another official on the same day said 4 agents were there. The attack injured 2 clerical workers, no field agents. The most incompetent competent criminals.
The ATF agent in charge claimed he fell multiple stories in an elevator, then managed to pry open the doors and heroically rescue several victims. Investigators found the elevator doors sealed and had to use blow torches to open them. It is also impossible for elevators to free fall due to the redundant safety mechanisms. The elevator cables were still in tact as well.
Why did no one ever get to the bottom of the bomb squad units seen in the area before the explosion?
So many lies by the ATF.
So many leads and suspects not investigated.
So many questions unanswered.
McVeigh was most likely involved. And like many other attacks and the long history of federal law enforcement, he was most likely helped by undercover agents.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:22 pm to DyeHardDylan
Need to get ATF on Tony Spell.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:28 pm to Rammin TX
quote:pics?
My daughter goes to Baylor.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:29 pm to CDawson
quote:pics?
My daughter goes to Baylor.
Mine, too.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:30 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Wasn't Eric Holder the head of the FBI at that time?
No, Louis Freeh was the Director, but Shithead Holder was pretty high up then. He was heavily involved at Waco.
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