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re: Anna Paulina switches vote to "NO"
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:57 pm to TigerAxeOK
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:57 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Ahh, so refusing to ignore the will of your constituents
Which time? She "followed the will of her constituents" with both positions today.
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's affecting change. It matters.
I bet you nothing really changes and we have a CR that's 95% (at least) as bad in short order.
Vance is already publicly supporting raising the debt ceiling.
What are the other means to move the needle on this stuff within our political framework?
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:59 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It makes you look like Roger
If you were more like me you would understand that MAGA is an emotional movement away from conservatism.
I havent changed, and you used to agree with me. Its you...who has changed.
I'll never understand how you attached yourself to these populists.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:59 pm to Taxing Authority
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Nope. If that were true, they would have been as disappointed as I was this morning that yet another Trump endorsee came up short.
Man. You and I agree on most things, I would imagine. I think you’re intelligent and make great arguments. I’m guessing the biggest disagreement we have is Trump. That being said….the all or nothing accusation you made was ironically summed up in the ease you call Trump supporters “cultists.”
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:00 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:I don’t think you’re being intellectually honest.
Ok. But your ignorance about what's going on seemingly has no effect on APL's position on the bill now or earlier. Sorry I'm not seeing the connection if that is all you are saying.
I don’t see how the connection can be missed.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:01 pm to lake chuck fan
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It's affecting change. It matters.
We the people are being heard.
It's just so sad though that it takes Trump+Elon+Vivek to scare these spineless fricks into getting in line. I mean, seriously... That's where the Republican party was headed. Some RINO hybrid hellscape limping along behind fake GOP like Mike Johnson.
Throw these bums out. It's MAGA for every sitting Republican legislator or fricking bust.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:02 pm to Homesick Tiger
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What is the definition of the term "chamge of heart"? Doesn't mean you're spineless.
I put this scenario through ChatGPT
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This situation with Representative Anna Paulina Luna could be interpreted differently depending on how one perceives her motivations and actions:
Change of Heart
If Luna genuinely re-evaluated her decision after receiving significant feedback (from constituents or otherwise) and believed that reversing her stance better aligned with her values or the will of her district, it could be framed as a change of heart.
Supporting this interpretation:
She may have received clearer or more persuasive input from constituents in the two-hour window, influencing her decision.
Her initial position could have been based on incomplete information about how her district felt, and the feedback prompted her to correct course.
This interpretation assumes her reversal was thoughtful and based on her role as a representative of her community.
Being Spineless
On the other hand, if her reversal came mainly in response to national pressure or online backlash rather than genuine input from constituents, it might be viewed as spineless or indicative of succumbing to outside forces.
Supporting this interpretation:
Two hours is a very short period to thoroughly gather and reassess the opinions of her district. If the shift was driven by fear of criticism or political fallout, it suggests she might have been more concerned about perception than principle.
By justifying both stances as "the will of her constituents," she risks appearing indecisive or unwilling to take a firm stand—especially if there’s no clear evidence her district’s opinion shifted so drastically in such a short time.
Balancing the Two Perspectives
Politicians are expected to represent their constituents, but they also need to display leadership and courage. If Luna reversed her decision based solely on public or online pressure without thorough engagement with her district, it undermines the perception of her as a steadfast representative. However, if she can provide evidence (such as data, feedback, or polling) that her reversal genuinely reflects her constituents' views, it might reinforce the idea of a thoughtful change of heart.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:03 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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What are the other means to move the needle on this stuff within our political framework?
On a national level y;all are banging your heads on the table. its not going to happen without a collapse of some type.
Vote better congressmen and local leadership.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:03 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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What are the other means to move the needle on this stuff within our political framework?
other means i.e. other than raising the debt ceiling again?
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Between you and I, one of us knows how politics works and it sure isnt you.
we know Roger. You’re an Econ professor a poli sci pro and all of the other stuff you think you’re an expert at. You’re definitely not a simpleton that spews simplistic talking points like “she made a deal.” You, of course, didn’t answer my question. You just, once again, made your delusions of grandeur very clear.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's affecting change. It matters.
I bet you nothing really changes and we have a CR that's 95% (at least) as bad in short order.
Vance is already publicly supporting raising the debt ceiling.
I've said in several posts today that this bill may very well go thru, but that doesn't mean defeat.
The reaction of the voters and the heroes like Musk, Vivek, Masse, Paul, and others demonstrates that the America First movement is here and beginning to influence things.
Anyone would be naive to think that just because Trump won the battle is over!!!!
shite it's just started!!! Sit back and watch good triumph over evil and stop trying to pick it apart.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Listening to the voters. Says she is the representative we all need.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I havent changed, and you used to agree with me. Its you...who has changed.
The funny thing is, I have never once accused you of philosophically changing. I don't think you have. I think you are a bit lost and misguided, but not from a philosophical perspective.
I challenge you to point out one example where you think I have philosophically "changed." I guarantee you won't be able to.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:04 pm to BBONDS25
quote:We almost completely agree on Trump. And no, you're not a cult member.
Man. You and I agree on most things, I would imagine. I think you’re intelligent and make great arguments. I’m guessing the biggest disagreement we have is Trump.
quote:Some. Not all. Otherwise I'd have to include myself.
That being said….the all or nothing accusation you made was ironically summed up in the ease you call Trump supporters “cultists.”
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:04 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Listening to the voters.
She claims to have done this with both stances today
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I know. I was hoping readers would get the gist without me having to write out a legit process to accurately analyze the shite.
That's a bad way to analyze things, because threads with high concentration of posts will naturally be me being "disagreeable" (from the MAGA POV).
quote:And did MAGA coming into office deliver us a no vote today?
Just last night I said SA changing their tune and resuming normalizing relations with Israel was an actual example of "the election and Trump coming into office did this" being true.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:05 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I think you are a bit lost and misguided
So you disagree with classical economics.
Interesting. I would have never figured you for "one of those."
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think you are a bit lost and misguided
So you disagree with classical economics.
Interesting. I would have never figured you for "one of those."
Thanks for proving my point, loon.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:06 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I challenge you to point out one example where you think I have philosophically "changed."
Or maybe you havent, you may have always harbored left wing economcs.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:06 pm to ReauxlTide222
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And did MAGA coming into office deliver us a no vote today?
This thread is about a MAGA member flip flopping (twice, technically) on the CR
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