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re: Amy Coney Barrett Denies Emergency Petition to Stop Biden’s Student Debt Relief Plan
Posted on 10/20/22 at 5:57 pm to TDsngumbo
Posted on 10/20/22 at 5:57 pm to TDsngumbo
quote:
The relief doesn't dole out any money at all. It wipes the figure off the books. Sure, it's a grey area but in my opinion, the president can do that. I don't have to like it.
So if a credit card company erases my 10000 balance, that isn't giving me money?
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Posted on 10/20/22 at 5:58 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Pipe down, schoolmarm.
The administration cites a law enacted post-9/11 that allows the Dept of Education to modify the rules for student loans during a declared emergency. The administration argues that Congress gave POTUS that authority.
Your response?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 5:58 pm to TDsngumbo
quote:
I don't like the student debt relief thing at all but what grounds did they have to ask SCOTUS to step in with tha
They were appealing the 7th Circuit’s denial of the same request—to stay the debt forgiveness pending appeal of the merits of the issue. The district court tossed the suit due to ………wait for it……….lack of standing, and the appeal of that decision is currently before the 7th Circuit.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:01 pm to jatilen
McConnell doing work
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:02 pm to alpinetiger
quote:
Robert Barnes was correct again. He said she was going to be a disappointing jurist based on her prior decisions, and here we are.
I want a couple of hard-arse Southern Protestants on the Court next, preferably Evangelicals. I’m tired of a strictly Catholic/Jewish court. Most of the country is Protestant .
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:03 pm to Indefatigable
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Explain why this is a disappointing legal decision, assuming of course you aren’t just politically disappointed in the outcome.
I'm no legal expert, but my understanding of TROs is that the judge must weigh the possible harm to the plaintiff if the TSO is not granted and wins vs the possible harm to the defendant if the TSO is granted and wins. Since student loans are currently in deferment and no interest is being accrued, there's no harm to an individual with a student loan if the cancellation is put on hold and eventually happens down the road. There could be harm to the plaintiff if student loans are cancelled and then later after a trial it is found that they shouldn't have been.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:03 pm to ksayetiger
quote:
So if a credit card company erases my 10000 balance, that isn't giving me money?
Absolving debt is not giving out money. It’s horseshite, I hope it gets repealed somehow, but it’s a “nuanced” move the left so dearly loves.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:05 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
The administration cites a law enacted post-9/11 that allows the Dept of Education to modify the rules for student loans during a declared emergency. The administration argues that Congress gave POTUS that authority.
That law was for soldiers and first responders, correct?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:07 pm to ItNeverRains
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Absolving debt is not giving out money
Every debt is paid by someone.
In this case, the taxpayers.
Money doesn't appear out of thin air (contrary to what any believe)
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:07 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
The administration cites a law enacted post-9/11 that allows the Dept of Education to modify the rules for student loans during a declared emergency. The administration argues that Congress gave POTUS that authority. No one is saying POTUS could do it without Congress. Your response?
The HEROES Act specifically referred to “men and women of the US military.”
If this student loan forgiveness plan only applied to men and women of the US military, I might have to agree that it was allowed by Congress.
They are using the HEROES Act to justify this. Are all debtors heroes now? Or only student loan debtors? Or only student loan debtors during a never ending pandemic national emergency?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:08 pm to ItNeverRains
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Absolving debt is not giving out money. It’s horseshite, I hope it gets repealed somehow, but it’s a “nuanced” move the left so dearly loves.
According to the IRS, debt cancellation is taxable income. It just so happens that in all of the COVID legislation, the Dems excluded student loan cancellations that happen within a certain amount of time of signage is exempt from Federal income tax.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:09 pm to ksayetiger
quote:
So if a credit card company erases my 10000 balance, that isn't giving me money?
Do you consider a line of credit YOUR MONEY?
you shouldn't because its not.
its their money they allowed you to use. .
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:10 pm to ksayetiger
quote:
That law was for soldiers and first responders, correct?
it was for those people and also in the event of 'a national emergency'. rather broad language used.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:16 pm to AMS
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Do you consider a line of credit YOUR MONEY?
you shouldn't because its not.
its their money they allowed you to use. .
Bottom line. There is a debt that has to paid by the taxpayers.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:16 pm to jatilen
ACB knows this could effect the elections. There's a big difference in granting an emergency injunction and going through the standard process.
After the elections I would imagine this will be revisited. SCOTUS needs to lay low until the elections
After the elections I would imagine this will be revisited. SCOTUS needs to lay low until the elections
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:21 pm to frogtown
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Bottom line. There is a debt that has to paid by the taxpayer.
yes, elections have consequences.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:21 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
They were appealing the 7th Circuit’s denial of the same request—to stay the debt forgiveness pending appeal of the merits of the issue. The district court tossed the suit due to ………wait for it……….lack of standing, and the appeal of that decision is currently before the 7th Circuit.
Oh, ok…so all she did was basically deny an injunction pending the appeal…nothing is settled.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 6:21 pm to Rufus T Firefly
quote:
thanks a lot bitch
Do you know why she denied it?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 7:05 pm to Iron Lion
She really has been.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 7:16 pm to TDsngumbo
quote:And even if it DOES appear on its face to be unconstitutional (a big “If”), what is the basis for temporary injunctive relief from the Supreme Court?
Some on this board are just as dumb as the left. On what grounds is the student loan forgiveness stuff unconstitutional? Sure, we hate it but is it unconstitutional? That's way more than a stretch in my opinion.
“I just want a Supreme Court justice who will follow the law.“***
***(unless law produces a result that I don’t like)
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